GOVTLAWYER, I totally agree. There was a bit of a mutiny last night with participants simply not observing the rules they didn't like (mostly with respect to the Sabbath). People are trying to be polite and not be too heavy-handed in enforcing the rules but that defeats the whole purpose of this experiment/experience! I did like the strategic move of bringing in new settlers; makes the original group members' positions a little less secure and maybe they'll get with the program now.

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People are trying to be polite and not be too heavy-handed in enforcing the rules but that defeats the whole purpose of this experiment/experience! I did like the strategic move of bringing in new settlers; makes the original group members' positions a little less secure and maybe they'll get with the program now.

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I haven't been watching this study in early settlement/modern folks. I watched the Pioneer one, with the rich CA family, and the shrill Virginian family...it was more about the people than the era, really. And the editing, as in any "reality" show, is suspect, since the documenters can edit to emphasize or deemphasize certain things. Whatever they want.

But I agree, these experiments ARE basically complex role-play games; and the participants *should* play by the rules and play out their characters -- but comment on how they are affected by how that life impacts on their 2004 sensibilities without skirting the "rules". Otherwise, why do it?

ITTOT, I thought the PIONEER HOUSE program had much more of a 'reality' show feel to it than the others I've seen, simply because the "shrill" Virginia wife was behaving in a highly competitive manner and not getting with the "create a community and prepare for winter" program. She was far too distracted with what was going on with the affluent family. She seemed to miss the point that the competition, if you will, was against the forces of nature! You know, get as much hay in as possible to keep the livestock fed through winter, stock up on wood before winter, hoard your food to get you through winter - the basic essentials of life.

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I haven't been watching this study in early settlement/modern folks. I watched the Pioneer one, with the rich CA family, and the shrill Virginian family...it was more about the people than the era, really. And the editing, as in any "reality" show, is suspect, since the documenters can edit to emphasize or deemphasize certain things. Whatever they want.

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Angel highlights - things I loved about the last show:

Spike (James Marster) reading poetry! It was a solid performance. I knew he (Marster) had done alot of stage work and Shakespeare; it was good to see him flex his performance muscles in something other than a kick-butt way. And, I liked the setup/joke. We are led to believe Spike's in the bar for heavy drinking and brawling, only to discover he is there for a poetry reading.

Angel and Connor finally reconcile and the son returns to assist the father - without the teenage angst and acrimony. "You come to see me... and it's NOT the end of the world?"

Ends with the gang fighting the good fight. Before the show began, I thought to myself "It kinda sucks that they're gonna tie up all the loose ends in a tidy manner." So,it was nice to see that the battle against evil was still going on at the end.

Harmony - had a really good hair day! And, she was true to form. In the Seinfeld manner, there was no learning or hugs going on there!

Wesley face time. Even in death, he was dreamy.

Walker- I am still very sad that the show is over. Did you know that is was Spike's poetry he was reading? (from when he was William) At first I thought it might be Shakespeare, but then I recognized it.(from "effulgent") I was so happy that he got such a positive reaction from the audience. Except for Cecily's love, that was all he ever really wanted during his pre-vamp days as William.
I loved the whole concept of having a last day and the choices they made.
Some favorite quotes:
"You are not unpleasant to my eyes'
"Which is interesting for a secret society"
"Tell them I made my scary face" (loved the whole conversation between Angel and Lindsay)
"I want you, Lindsay. Thinking about rephrasing that."
"Mistress who?"
"Can I deny you 3 times?"
"I'm feeling grief for him. I wish to do more violence."
and my absolute favorite (not because it was funny, but because it is true)
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." (and Hamilton's reality-check reply "yeah, but we won't care."
I had my doubts about Joss wrapping everything up in one hour and somehow, he did an amazing job. I especially loved the scenes with Connor and Angel. I also loved that it didn't have an ending. I now have no hour-long dramas to watch on TV next year. I read an interview with David Boreanz where he said that this TV genre (hour long dramas) was disappearnig from regular broadcast TV. Since I don't get HBO, etc., looks like I will be watching mostly DVDs and a few other cable shows (like Monk and Stargate)

govt- thanks for the wrist-thing suggestion. Right now I am wearing an ace bandage and it seems to be helping. I just have to avoid certain motions and anything that requires strength. I think it's getting better slowly.
And my pride as an American ebbs and flows based on stories that I read or hear or just things I observe. When the firefighters from my county (Fairfax) go all over the world to help others, then I am very proud. When the majority of people seem to be obsessed with reality TV shows instead of world events or when people buy Hummers as staus symbols, then I get ashamed all over again! But, you are right, our government doesn't always reflect who we are as Americans a good part of the time.

Cassandra,

Wow! We think alot alike. I loved those quotes too!

It took me 'til yesterday evening to realize "Hey! That was all about William the Bloody!" and the thought came to me as I kept turning 'effulgent' over and over in my head.

My favorites shows have gone off the air - no Buffy, Angel, Sex & City. The only other show I try to regularly catch is "Monarch of the Glen."

Add me to the list of those who mourn the end of "Angel." It was an excellent show that took the pop-culture fun of "Buffy" and injected its own dark-yet-hilarious themes.

As far as I'm concerned, Joss Whedon and his crew should be responsible for the final episode of every series regardles sof their previous involvement. The "Buffy" and "Angel" finales were both appropriate, well-thought and fitting. Not many shows end on a high note, yet both of Whedon's did.

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As far as I'm concerned, Joss Whedon and his crew should be responsible for the final episode of every series regardles sof their previous involvement. The "Buffy" and "Angel" finales were both appropriate, well-thought and fitting. Not many shows end on a high note, yet both of Whedon's did.

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Hear hear, TN1. Actually, I'd love for Whedon to take over at Stargate SG-1, since the showrunners there only show contempt for their fans, and not the delight that Whedon seems to show. Whedon may have moved on from Buffy and Angel to put his creative efforts into Firefly, but what creative person can stay with one product/universe for a decade or more? If he hadn't moved on, I think Buffy and Angel would have suffered even more.

I dropped out of Buffy (sort of -- I watched out of loyalty, not because I really enjoyed the last two seasons) because the characters ... can't express what I didn't like as much. Well, they seemed *forced* to act like they did, not because they wanted to, if you get what I mean.

I stopped watching Angel after last season because I couldn't stand what happened to Cordy, and the developing "ship" between her and Angel (where did *that* come from!) and the ineffectual Big Bad (which was the problem Buffy had too, a Big Bad that was mostly hot air).

Hello all -

My life has been on hold since December due to a series of serious medical issues with my mom. Things are looking up a bit and we are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaking of going out on a high note, this was not something I wanted to see ... *sniff*


Goodbye Phish

24 finished up last night. It's held up fairly well, and I understand they are working on Season 4.

I'm sorry to see the end of Buffy and Angel, I used to be a faithful watcher, but the last couple of years have become hit and miss, with more miss than hit, but they both delivered above-average scripts and I've enjoyed them alot. With all the "reality" shows, good writing/production is getting pretty scace.

How is everyone?

argo

Argo: I'm sorry to see Phish go too. I've been a huge fan of that band since the early '90s. I grew up with them, so it's sad to see them come to an end. But I respect their decision -- much, much better to go away on top than turn into a shadow of what used to be.

I never heard of Phish until I saw ARGO's message... Since I never saw them arrive, I guess I don't have any feelings about their departure...

I think I can say the same for every "American Idol" and "Survivor"

Speaking of the potential for getting "gassed, "bombed" or otherwise terrorized this summer, the building I work in is going to hold an "Evacuation Drill" in July. I work in a County government building - where all the courts are held, where people come daily for their governmental business - it is a huge building -- you get the picture. Nevertheless, we are going to have a drill from 10:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. No one has explained where they expect us all to go for 2 1/2 hours -- do we just mill about the streets of Minneapolis? For us, we will be right in the middle of a big-time, products liability trial, with lots of people from out of state. Can it be any more inconvenient? Can someone please examine the brains of those who thought this up? We have regular fire drills already. After 9/11 I don't have to think twice about a "cut and run" from my building should disaster strike.

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govt-things have been very weird here. They haven't changed the alert code, but the TV and radio stations keep testing their emegency broadcast systems. I was listening to brain-numbing new-agey music the other day on one of my cable TV stations, thinking it might relax me, when in the middle of soothing sounds of sitars and flutes, a harsh blast announcing the test of the EBS came on! I'm not complaining- I know people in other parts of the world have it much worse- it just creates a climate of fear that can often be counterproductive to making sound, rational decisions. I don't want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist person, but I have grave concerns about how easily many Americans will give up their constitutional rights as well as their moral outrage (over what happened in Abu Ghraib, for ex.) because they are in a state of fear-perhaps emotionally manipulated by their own government. It all feels very 1984ish. I don't know if anyone has been reading the conflicting accounts given by Major General Taguba, but they are very disturbing. But more disturbing is how little the American public seems to care.

Cassandra, we can always count on apathy to allow many transgressions, can't we?

Rant alert...

In December, the FDA's Reproductive Health Advisory Committee (medical advisors) voted 23-4 in favor of making Plan B, the "morning after" birth-control pill, available without a prescription. Plan B is not RU386 (the abortion pill). Despite the overwhelming vote in favor of making the pill available OTC, someone else in the FDA overrided their recommendation because girls 16 and younger aren't capable of reading and understanding the instructions and effects of the drugs.

A 15 year old can buy Benadryl to dope themselves up (just one makes me loopy) but they aren't capable of taking a contraception-preventing pill. Hmmmm...

Flat-earth bureaucrats interfering with scientific progress. It's maddening. Here's a means to prevent unwanted pregnancies - and an estimated 50% of all abortions - but the blockheads are keeping this pill off the shelves.

Walker,

Interesting post. I used "Plan B" once many years ago as a med student in Germany. I wrote the prescription for myself, and got it at an emergancy pharmacy. I have to admit that I was uncomfortable with it, because, although it is primarily thought to prevent ovulation or fertilization (by altering tubal transport of sperm and/or ova), it may also inhibit implantation by altering the endometrium - which would technically make it an early-early abortion.

I may also add that I felt rather ill for a few days.

That said, depriving girls of this choice in a country where the ban on late-term abortions has only recently been re-declared unconstitutional makes no sense whatsoever, since the ethical implications get larger as time passes, not smaller.

PS: the nit-picker in me can't suppress the urge to point out that it is "conception-preventing pill", not "contraception-preventing pill".

JM115

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I'm thinking about my vacation next month, and am thinking of visiting California and may be in the LA area sometime later next month. Nothing has been decided yet - I may visit in September instead.

So, for Angelinos, do you know of any good places to stay? Central, decent, etc.?

Hi, CASS, sorry I didn't reply sooner - I spent the past 4 days being sick, so my brain was only partially working. Actually, the topic of the Abu G. prison has been brought up frequently amongst my friends, colleagues, family. I'm not sure if I've lost any of my constitutional rights yet - but it was scary watching the FBI pounce on that lawyer in Portland, Oregon based on such flimsy "evidence". Yowser!

Regarding "Plan B," this will come as no surprise to anyone, but I think the ethical implications of an abortion in the first minute or the last month are the same - the baby is being killed.

JM115, I blame the Benadryl (which really does make me quite dopey) for my conception/contraception error!

Being the unhappy recipient of 7 miscarriages (known in medical terms as 'spontaneous abortion'), I do not buy the "all conceptions are viable" argument. In fact, I am certain all blastocytes are not viable. I am quite comfortable letting each female make her own decision.

There's a new push from the Republicans (led by Nancy Reagan) to allow government financing of stem-cell research. The blastocyte is destroyed in the process. I see no difference, but I see plenty of hypocrisy.

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I disagree, govt, for two reasons: a) with "Plan B" it is much more likely that fertilization will not occur, than implantation actually being hindered, although the possiblitly is of course there.

and b) to my eyes, aborting a viable baby who can feel pain and panic as opposed to an eight-cell cluster does make a difference. I'm against abortion, mind you. But I do believe this is a choice everyone has to make for themselves. And as long as it is legal in this country, making sure that it doesn't progress to the "viable baby" before it is aborted should be paramount.



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I'm sorry Walker - that must have been heartbreaking. And I've worked in pediatrics long enough to know that all conceptions are certainly NOT viable - in fact, about one out of every 10 confirmed pregnancies end in an early miscarriage - quite naturally. Speaking for myself, I do think there's a difference between such an occurance (which is completely beyond our control) and actually "helping it along", but like you I am convinced that each woman has to make that choice for herself.

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There's a new push from the Republicans (led by Nancy Reagan) to allow government financing of stem-cell research. The blastocyte is destroyed in the process. I see no difference, but I see plenty of hypocrisy.

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I agree absolutely.

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I'm thinking about my vacation next month, and am thinking of visiting California and may be in the LA area sometime later next month. Nothing has been decided yet - I may visit in September instead.

So, for Angelinos, do you know of any good places to stay? Central, decent, etc.?

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Depends on what your budget is, Xed. What will you be doing, and going?

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Ittot, taking it easy. Maybe doing a few touristy things - a trip to Disneyland, doing some shopping, walk along the beach, meet up with some people, that kind of thing.

My budget is somewhat modest and unfortunately not quite in the range of $300-1000 Canadian per night (where a lot of places are at that I've browsed so far). Darn exchange rate. Probably around $100-150 or so US per night. Something reasonably central with relatively easy access to things.


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Xed - "easy access" in LA means anywhere along the freeway ... I would suggest picking one place you know you want to visit and with a car (don't plan on public transportation ... although it exists, it isn't very usable), you can get anywhere pretty easily (not fast, mind you, depending on traffic).

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My budget is somewhat modest and unfortunately not quite in the range of $300-1000 Canadian per night (where a lot of places are at that I've browsed so far). Darn exchange rate. Probably around $100-150 or so US per night. Something reasonably central with relatively easy access to things.xed

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Xedout -- there are a few Hostels (many NOT connected with AYH) in the Los Angeles area. There are Hostel book guides available (at least I've seen one or two in the tourist shelves in the book store). Quite a few of them are *only* for nonUSA citizens, and it's possible to get rides with others going in the same direction if you don't want to rent a car.

If you're going to Disney Land, I recommend the Candy Cane Inn -- it has a shuttle to the Park, includes a continental breakfast, has a pool and jacuzzi. Plus, it's reasonably priced. There are the usual Best Westerns, Holiday Inns, etc also in the area -- we're talking Disney Land, here -- and there are price ranges for everyone.

Like Argo said, depending on where you're spending most of your time, stay there, and make excursions out from there. Public transportation sucks bigtime here in LA. and taxis are NOT cheap.

George Tenet resigned. Crapola.

Does "crapola" indicate you are glad or sad at Tenet's resignation?

Disappointed, GovtLawyer.

Initially, I was alarmed but we are soon to enter a lame duck period and I suppose it would not be unexpected for him to resign anytime between now and January.

Why are you disappointed?

I see a big difference between benadryl and an anti-contraception/anti-implantation pill. For benadryl, you're clearing your sinuses or taking care of hay fever - for the other, you may be causing the death of a baby.

And, while all blastocytes may not be viable, there is no way to tell which are or aren't, that I'm aware.

Regarding stem-cell research, I read in our newspaper yesterday that there may be as many as 400,000 frozen embryos in this country, along with the suggestion that they should be used for research. I don't know if that statistic is correct. But, just thinking of those embryos as "disposables" for research is no different to me than Mengele's experiments. I know that is a harsh statement - but, Nancy Reagan, et al. might think differently if SHE were one of those embryos and people wanted to do experiments on her. I look at my own child and think she is NOT expendable, she is NOT someone I had any "right" to destroy "legally" (whether at 1 day or late-term), she is NOT someone who, if she had been a frozen embryo, should go to "research" because Ronnie Reagan has Alzheimer's or because Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's --- so people could pull apart her "cells" or put her in a petri dish or dowse her with chemicals. She is, and has been from the moment of conception, nothing else and no one else, but govt jr. And, it's the same for all of us -- it's just that some of us have been able to survive beyond the womb.

And, as for all the frozen embryos, well, the people who made them should have thought a little further ahead than the next moment. Ethically, legally, morally, what do we do with those people (the embyros)? I don't know. If they are not going to be implanted, then, perhaps the best that can be done is to unfreeze them, let them die naturally, then bury them with dignity in a mass grave. Then, we need to stop creating embryos for freezing for that unknown "someday" when they might be implanted, but probably won't be. Or, we need a law saying all created embryos SHALL be implanted immediately, and a number, a very small number, should be set for how many can be created for any couple.

Little, frozen people ... sitting in freezers...viewed as nothing more than a means to an end by the stem-cell researchers; a "resource," "expendables," slaves.



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ARGH, Govt - not you, too. Anti-CONception pill. Not anti-CONTRAception. Contra means against. So does anti. Anti-contraception is tautological. Or not even that, it's really a double negative, which would mean: a "pill that aided conception".

Just had to get that off my chest.

JM115, obsessive-compulsive detail-ologist

::rant alert::

While we're on the subject of language, one thing that really annoys me is the number of so-called native English speakers on the 'net that have nothing better to do than mix up homophones. If I see "compliment" spelled "complement" one more time, I will bite into the monitor (harming no one but my innocent teeth, of course). The same goes for "their" vs "there", "bare" vs "bear", "hear" vs "here" - and so on.

::end of rant::

That's one of the reasons I love to come here, because each and every one of you speaks such beautiful English. Apart from the intellectual stimulation, of course.

Now, back to the discussion about the Morning After Pill and such.

Hi guys,

I've got a little news from the "X-Files 2" front:

X-Files Personnel Get Chatty About Sequel

"X-Files 2" continues to gather steam. Coming Soon rounds up the latest morsels of conspiratorial news from the likes of "X-Files" creator Chris Carter and star David Duchovny.

"Frank [Spotnitz] and I have worked out a story, and there's a negotiation with [Fox] going on," Carter tells Variety. What that negotiation entails is a mystery, but if there's any justice in this world it includes ample mea culpas from Carter, who let his classic series swirl down the toilet in its final seasons.

Click here for the full story


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Trust, you've made the big time.

You're the talk of the Haven.

And I was happy to plug this messageboard over at the OS!

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Does some googling



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Heh heh. Glad other X-philes enjoyed it

OMG. TN1 -- I read that Orlando Bloom blurb of yours - the one in which Ridley Scott asked OB to get some chest hair (and here I thought he waxed it all off!). And I went to that Hairy Men's web site. OMG.

They have a photo gallery, and I had no idea there were such *hairy* men! I must be more naive than I thought!

BTW, those replies to that article are hilarious.

(walks away from the computer stunned)

Ittot: I was amazed to see such vocal response to my Orlando Bloom post (I can't call it an article since it includes a number of extra "facts"). Some of the people who wrote in took the piece very seriously.

What I've learned is this: When you write about Orlando Bloom, teenaged girls will find your site. We recently ran a review for Bloom's upcoming movie "The Calcium Kid" and the page views came fast and furious.

I should try a little test: write an Orlando Bloom article and post it in a random and unlinked portion of the site. Somehow I think the teens will set upon it like crazed animals.

And you're right ... the hairy site is something special

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Trustno1: Interesting post about Orlando Bloom! I, too (in the interest of science) went boldly into the "weird" site and checked out the photo gallery (heavens!)

As far as the responses by infuriated teens go, I read a theory that many teenage girls tend to like effeminate stars, because male sexuality is percieved as threatening, and these boys seem a "safe" alternative. Might be something to it.

JM That theory seems plausible. I wonder if attraction to effeminate stars also leads to Web-based vitriol

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Oh, I think there is. If you take a look at manga and anime, one of the really popular genres has males (oftentimes in gay relationships or with females almost as feminine as they are) that look extremely effeminate. Now, I'm not big into manga or anime anymore - at least not *this* kind - but I can see how this kind of character / actor would appeal to young women for whom "real men" would be threatening.

Hi guys- well, cassandra jr. graduated from HS yesterday. Hard to believe that she was in 5th or 6th grade when I started my first online "chatting" experience with my X-Files friends.
I was surprisingly dry-eyed at the ceremony. I am actually so happy that she's done with high school that I think it superseded all other more nostalgic or sentimental emotions. It's time for her to move on. As much as I will miss her and I know that this family dynamic of the 3 of us will be going through some major changes, it just feels right to let go.

I guess everyone's overwhelmed with the idea that we've all been coming to this forum (in its various guises) so long, that our children are almost a decade older than they were when we started out! Little Ittot is heading into third grade next year (eeeps!) and baby Ittot is almost three and a half years old!

Again, I'm sorry I didn't have the chance to get together with you when you were in the area, but like Pegasus (was it?), I actually prefer nonrushed get-togethers. So, next time, and then we can all yak a lot and not worry about schedules. I think it's amazing that so many of us have stayed with the forum for so long. Even if we sometimes take short vacations from it, we always seem to come back. We need a new show to talk about now!

How about the Dead Zone?

Ittot: I'm fishing for a new show. Most of my regulars are gone -- "X-files," "Buffy," "Angel. I'm still hooked on "24" but that doesn't really lend itself to week-to-week conjecture (beyond, "when will Jack's head finally explode from stress?"). "Arrested Development" is great, but it's a half-hour comedy. I could give "Dead Zone" a whirl but I'm concerned about the show's long-term chances. Anyone got other suggestions?

Geez, I don't know of any genre shows that are worth the speculation. Stargate SG-1 used to a wonderful show, and it does okay in the ratings, but I go to another forum to talk about that, and I'm not enthused about Stargate:Atlantis. Star Trek Enterprise doesn't interest me in the least - I got turned off by that about three shows in.

In all honesty, I don't watch much serial television at all -- there's very little at the moment that can grab me. Buffy started losing my interest after she died the last time. Angel lost me after the debacle that was the season before the last one.

Firefly is going into production again (Whedon): and Farscape has a miniseries, four part, coming out sometimes in the near future.

So, aside from the Dead Zone...nada!

I hate to be negative, but I haven't been impressed with the first few eps of Dead Zone this season. I just don't seem to care about the characters anymore and for me, that usually means the end to regular viewing.
When we sit down as a family to watch TV lately, it seems we just want to watch our Buffy DVDs and our tapes of season 7. When it's just my husband and I, we watch our CSI DVDs or the show (when we remember!). We'll watch the new season of Stargate and it's spin-off when they start in July, but those shows are pure fluff at this point. Just fun-nothing to sink our teeth into or be amazed about. Last night we came home from a 3 day trip to cassandra jr.'s college orientation and we all sat down to watch season 4 Buffy. We commented on how well-constructed that season was-showing little bits of the commandos and hints and foreshadowing of later events from the very first episode. We will often rewind to watch superb acting or hear a funny line again. We just haven't found anything else on TV that we react to like that. And, of course, the best part of it is that we enjoy it as a family.
We also love Monk, but I don't think that lends itself to forum conversation. The XFiles was unique in that respect- it had quality to be in awe of, as well as a storyline that invited conjecture and comments. Perhaps the occasional movie (Fahrenheit 911 comes to mind) will have to suffice.

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I haven't actually seen the new season at all yet of Dead Zone.

I also used to be into Crossing Jordan, but I started getting disaffected by the Mystery of Jordan's Dad and Her Mystery Brother and What Happened To Her Mother. I didn't know if they were going to drag those story lines out, I want some kind of resolution from my shows now (X-Files taught me that!) and the casting of the actor who played her brother -- you know, the guy who played Jarrod in (what was that series?) The Pretender. And he played her Crazy Brother. It went way over the top and lost me then and there.

And to think Crossing Jordan started out as quirky and lovable as Northern Exposure, only based in Boston, my old home-town.

So. Any other suggestions for Group Talk?