I can categorically assure you that I am not dead Walker!! Perhaps you meant the Red Haired Man??

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Originally posted by Brown Haired Man:
I can categorically assure you that I am not dead Walker!! Perhaps you meant the Red Haired Man??

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Now all we need are the Man with One Red Shoe and the Tall Blond Man with One Black Shoe! Or the Woman in the Red Dress? Or the Devil in the Blue Dress? Or even the Boy with Green Hair!

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Better late than never comment:

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Originally posted by Ittot:
The finale for Voyager has some IMHO serious flaws...

The worst offence of the Voyager Finale was the presence of the Borg Queen. Didn't she already kakk it in the Star Trek Next Gen movie when Data pulled her into that acid-gas-stuff?

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The writers could always say there were more than one Borg Queen. Afterall, can you tell one queen bee from another?

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Peg, I liked the Borg Queen. Maybe they have the ability to clone and rebuild themselves. That could explain why she still exists. Or there may be one in each Quadrant / Kingdom / Queendom.

Found some of the time shifts a bit confusing. Should have been better editing.

Overall, the actual ending was disappointing. They arrived home. And then what.

Yes, the Brown-Haired Man is alive and posting, as you see, and was never an XF character, in the "appeared in an episode" sense, anyway. Maybe Walker meant the Hatchet-Faced Man?

Hey, summer calls--Trust, can you do another Abyss (of lost XF characters)? We promise to help if you get started.

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Originally posted by xedout:
Overall, the actual ending was disappointing. They arrived home. And then what.

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Hmmm. What would you have liked to see? Did you want to see them arrive home twice?

ITTOT- The Borg queeen(played by a different actress because Alice Kriege was not available) actually appeared in a Voyager episode that took place after the ST movie. This time the other actress wasn't available so they used Alice Kriege. She is ,IMHO, the best Borg Queen-I just love her voice!

Peg, I wanted to see more of their coming home - maybe have them look at Earth or something. Obviously what happened in the "future" won't, but it would be nice to see a Federation celebration or something.

I'm still wondering when Sisko is going to come back from his visit with the Prophets.

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Originally posted by JM115:
Xed, it really finished?? Congrats! *off to read*

JM115

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Well, should I still send it?

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Originally posted by xedout:
Peg, I wanted to see more of their coming home - maybe have them look at Earth or something.

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I guess I just took it that their "actual" coming home would be like their "future" welcome was. (Don't you just love this time-warp stuff - my speaking of their future welcome in the past tense. Oops, headache coming on.) Also the anniversary party at the beginning of the episode satisfied my need for a welcoming celebration. And didn't they have a homecoming view of planet earth after they came out of the space-time rift at the end of the ep?

I wanted to see more of the homecoming, too. The homecoming at the beginning wasn't the real homecoming since time is now changed. Also, the reunion wasn't the real reunion because ---- time is now changed.

The show could have spent less time with the Borg Queen's arms falling off and the old Janeway looking distressed and added a few minutes on at the end for the "triumphal entry" or joy on board Voyager or at least ONE scene with Tom Paris TOGETHER with his wife and baby. But, they cut off the ending WAY too quick and didn't give enough time for some satisfying crew reactions.

If past, present and future all exist at the same time (as the Star Trek time travel shows imply) then it never would have taken Voyager 23 years to return to Earth because they would have returned in the sooner time line already because the old Janeway would have gone back. However, the old Janeway couldn't go back because she wouldn't have because Voyager came back in 7 years so there would have been no need.

Also, as my co-worker pointed out, Voyager shouldn't emerge with the new technology (the armor) because it wouldn't be invented yet.

It's all relative.



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TRUSTNO1! If you're out there, several posts and parts of posts have just disappeared from the Theocentricity 2 thread.

Allrighty guys. I'm not sure why posts are disappearing but I'm going to contact my service provider to see if something is amiss. Hold tight.

I called my service provider and it might be a storage issue with the server -- they're clearing it up right now so that might fix the problem.

If it continues, let me know. I'm going to dig around and see if this problem is a flaw of the software.

Hi guys,

The service provider did some voodoo on the server so things should be okay now. However, if you notice the same problem with disappearing posts, please send me a note immediately.

Thanks!

Muchas gracias, TRUST.

Thanks, too, Trust. *say that 10 times*

Anyway, about Voyager. If Janeway could go back in time, how did she choose that exact moment? Why didn't she go back another 7 years and stop the mission from even starting? Hence, no show.

It would be interesting to see what happened to the Maquis members of the crew - whether they would be pardoned for their crimes against the Federation or if they would still face any punishment. Also would have been nice to see the baby.

Excellent points, XEDOUT. She could have gone back who knows where in history and changed things; disobeying the Time Travel Prime Directive or whatever it is. Could young Janeway be courtmartialed when she gets back to Earth for going back in time and changing time even though she hasn't done it yet? She knows she did (will do it) and it will be in Voyager's logs.

If nothing else, Janeway should be courtmartialed for getting herself stuck in the wrong quadrant in the first place. It was all her fault and she put the ship and crew in danger.


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Very true, Govt. However, judging by what the Federation learned about the Delta Quadrant and the new alliances made there (which of course can be very profitable in one way and one never knows what sort of enemy can find its way to the Alpha quadrant and annoy pesky Starfleet), it's a shiny happy universe and Janeway will be seen as a maverick explorer.

My fic? It's at www.ephemeralfic.org

Browse for xedout....

I knew that. I like Kriege alot, I think she's fantastic. But the writers haven't been consistent in their use of the Borg "rules"...and they made the Borg too warm and happy. They simply are not that threatening anymore. Or not as threatening as they were when they debuted on the Next Gen show.

What I dislike the most about the Voyager finale, entertaining as it was, is how Janeway evolved into this incredibly selfish person. If you think about it, she went against the stated desire of the crew, broke tons of rules, and did it all so that Seven of Nine wouldn't have to die when she did...which is STILL no gaurantee that Seven won't die sometime in the future anyway. I find the whole basis of the finale to go against what all the other shows have portrayed ethical star fleet officers as being. BUT. I am not and never have been a "fanatical" Trekkie, so really, these points I'm making are for fun. Not to get into deeply.

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Originally posted by cassandra:
ITTOT- The Borg queeen(played by a different actress because Alice Kriege was not available) actually appeared in a Voyager episode that took place after the ST movie. This time the other actress wasn't available so they used Alice Kriege. She is ,IMHO, the best Borg Queen-I just love her voice!

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Next Star Trek "Enterprise" w/Scott Bakula ... grroowwfff!!! I might start watching again.

I found Voyager pretty bland whenever I watched it. TNG was the best, DS9 ok, Voyager *yawn* - can they pull this puppy out?

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ITTOT- I don't think it was just for 7. Chakotay died prematurely pining away for 7, so it was probably for him too. Janeway was notoriuos for breaking the time travel prime directive-remember the episdoe on that?-so her behavior didn't surprise me at all.
As for the show in general, it was my least favorite of the STs. I loved TNG and have all but 3 on tape. I was much more emotionally involved with the characters on DS9 than I ever was with anyone on Voyager. I would love to know whatever happened to Odo and Kiera-and I just loved Sisco. They really explored relationships on that show and so it had a lot more depth. I wonder if any of them (besides Worf) will ever appear in a movie.

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Originally posted by cassandra:
ITTOT- I don't think it was just for 7. Chakotay died prematurely pining away for 7, so it was probably for him too.

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It was also said in the finale that many were lost before they got home. Janeway wanted to bring Voyager back sooner to avoid that loss, and in some way make up for stranding the crew in the first place.

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I was much more emotionally involved with the characters on DS9 than I ever was with anyone on Voyager. I would love to know whatever happened to Odo and Kiera-and ... Sisco.

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I made up my own ending for DS9 and did likewise for Voyager. In my ending, Voyager comes swooping out of a wormhole - the wormhole right there by DS9 with both crews celebrating grand fashion!

Archiving Note:
In the off chance you look through older threads from season 8 and find they've disappeared, do not be alarmed. I'm in the process of archiving these threads.

That is all.

Cassandra, don't know what happened to Kira. The actress who played her is now a villainness on Dark Angel.

Maybe one day we'll see a DS9 movie.

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Originally posted by trustno1:
In the off chance you look through older threads from season 8 and find they've disappeared, do not be alarmed. I'm in the process of archiving these threads.

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But the "disappeared" posts are not recoverable?