HAPPY BIRTHDAY for all occasions and for everyone for 2004 - because if I don't say that now, I will definitely forget - as has already been proven.

XQQ!! Yee-HAH! Good to hear from you!

Hi guys!

Clearly, I'm too busy. This is the first moment I've had to drop in to celebrate the Forum's birthday and it's more than a week after the fact. I'm not pleased. At all.

But! I remain forever hopeful that someday -- maybe a day in the distant distant future -- I will once again have moments to spend talking about anything and everything in this space. It's comforting to know that even if that day remains far off, this place isn't going anywhere. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, this forum has been out of harm's way for quite some time (going on 4 years I think). Not too shabby! We should all pat ourselves on the back for successfully navigating the dot-com storm.

For me, this forum has served as a foundation for 6 very interesting years. When I started it I was 23 -- recently out of college and dumb to the ways of the world (I wouldn't have admitted that at the time, but in hindsight it's all-too true). Now, I'm 29. I'm married. I'm about to move into a house (that's part of the reason why I've been incommunicado lately). I've got 2 dogs, a hybrid car, a TiVo, a master's degree and far too much gray hair (that's what happens when you wear a backwards Sox cap for too long). Yet, amidst all this change, acquisition and metamorphosis, this forum has always been here. I take great comfort in that.

So thanks to all of you for making it happen and here's to another six years!

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FEARLESS LEADER, something is wrong with the Forum. When I write a message then hit "Submit Reply" my message does not appear. It only appears later after I leave the Forum and come back in. This is a new development.

Love,

govt

I don't know about anyone else, but I *like* getting older...at least up to a point. I wouldn't mind getting my young twenties body back, but you know? I wouldn't want to go back and relive the 80s at all! No way.

I like where I am now.

What about you all?

TO Gov'tlawyer --
I didn't have that problem, gov. Is it your computer, you think? Or the server, maybe?

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So, what's your cut-off point for when you WILL mind "getting older," ITTOT?

You know, you ask an interesting question about my posting problems. I usually only post while I'm at work, so I'll have to try it at home and see if the same thing happens.

POLITICAL INQUIRY: If anyone has a theory: With the very large field of Democratic contenders, what caused John Kerry's sudden rise? This sort of thing happens a lot and the events always fail logical analysis IMO. It's as if unseen hands or mass hypnosis are at play. Front runner one week, dead in the water the next. Go figure.

And, furthermore, that time the post went through perfectly.

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So, what's your cut-off point for when you WILL mind "getting older," ITTOT?

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Hmm. That's a good question, gov. I guess I'll mind when my body really starts failing me, and I can't do the things I like anymore. And I guess that means I should start taking better care of myself now, or I'll pay for it later. (as in keeping weight down, exercising more, etc etc)

But I'll probably be one of those little old ladies you sometimes see sitting in a wheelchair, staring off into space. Not becuz I'm not thinking about anything, or about the past, but becuz I'm in a daydream world, and couldn't give a fig about real life any more. But that would be when I'm a REAL old old lady (like my 96 year old grandmother).


And you, gov? What's your take?


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Hi guys! Good to see you, finally , Trust.
The 20's are quite dramatic-lots of changes and sudden course corrections. Sounds like you're happy. Nothing like buying a house to make movies, TV shows, and time spent at the computer kind of fade far into the backround. If you happen to stop by again though, we'll be at your graduate school alma mater next month. Perhaps we could bump into you on the Commons?
Growing Older:
Some things are lost, but others are gained. As long as I still have things in the plus column, I'm not complaining.

I dunno, ITTOT. I'm hoping there will always be something useful/enjoyable I can do as long as I'm on the Earth...at any age. But, maybe you're right - it might even be pleasant daydreams and nothing else.

Not being as young as say, TRUSTNO1, or others of you I will admit I have experienced some "age-related" phenomena - and this is despite being downright "religious" about getting daily excercise, etc. I kind of wonder what I'd be like if I were NOT doing the exercise -- scary thought!

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Not being as young as say, TRUSTNO1, or others of you I will admit I have experienced some "age-related" phenomena - and this is despite being downright "religious" about getting daily excercise, etc. I kind of wonder what I'd be like if I were NOT doing the exercise -- scary thought!

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Good for you, Govt .... I keep setting up an excercise schedule for myself, hold to it for two days, and then I let it slide.

I understand the struggle JM. I kept thinking, what exercise would I really do and when would I do it, so I'd stick with it. We've had a treadmill for years, nothing very elaborate, so I said, "Self, get on that thing - even for only 5 minutes!" So, I did, beginning July 1, 2002, then I gradually went to 10, 15 etc. and now I do 30 minutes everyday - fast walk. I do it FIRST THING IN THE MORNING...and I mean, "First Thing". If I don't do it immediately, I won't do it. Now it is a habit. Oh, sure, I often think about "skipping" but I don't. The only time I have skipped is due to being sick. The reason I don't skip is because it makes me feel GREAT the rest of the day and has improved my health tremendously. Not that I was sickly, but the improvement is there in weight, blood pressure, energy.

I think it is such an individual thing - finding that "something" that will match our personality, fitness level, time constraints, etc. What I do may stink for someone else. And, each person has to pick their own time to start. If some doctor or friend had told me to "start exercising" I would have ignored them - it had to be when I wanted to do it.

Govt, you're right about people having to pick their own time and be ready to start exercising or lose weight or do whatever they want.

I bought my former boss' daughter's treadmill a little over a year ago. I too started off slowly and now do 4 - 4.3 mph for about 48 minutes a day. I used to do a lot of outdoor walking - it's good when the weather is good. Our winters have been lousy the past few years - lots of cold, snow, freezing rain, etc. And it's not as safe as it used to be. My treadmill is in my living room (in a corner). I get on it almost every day after I get home from work. I've only missed a few times because I've been sick.

You certainly go further and faster than I do, XEDOUT. I always have to have some entertainment while I'm on the treadmill - otherwise it is SOOOOOO boring. The treadmill is in a room over our garage and we have a TV/VCR there - so, I watch the early news or some dumb show or I have a variety of exercise tapes I play for the music. Is that what you do?

Hello, FilmFodder/OnTappers!

I've been paying attention to the Democratic campaigns, more closely than ever before. Because I am registered as No Party Affiliation (which, it turns out, is not the same as Independent), and Florida has closed primaries, I will not be able to vote in the primary elections (March 9). I am still undecided on which Democratic candidate I would like to prevail. Bush will not get my vote, so it's almost irrelevant who wins the Democratic nomination. However, I would like to feel good about the Democrat who receives my vote.

I took a quiz at http://www.selectsmart.com/PRESIDENT/ and the outcome showed that Kucinich (followed by Dean) was the candidate most aligned with the way I answered. I don't know the first thing about Kucinich and have been turned off by Dean! It was a good lesson in issues vs. style. Maybe I'll give Dean another lookover.

I well remember the Dems complaining that Nader ruined the election for Gore. I found these interesting stats (RECOUNT votes) for my county:

Bush 180,760 votes
Gore 169,557
Nader 7,490
Brown 1,138
Harris 35
Hagelin 217
Buchanan 847

Our county has 547,192 registered voter (voting age population of 745,810), so we had about a 2/3 voter turnout. I don't know how this compares to national statistics.

What's interesting is that 42% of voters are Dems and only 36% are Republicans - but Bush carried the popular vote. Throw in the NPA wild card (18% of voters) and that *might* explain it.

I was one of those who voted for Nader because I had no idea what Gore really stood for (make a stand, man!), and Bush was out of the question for me. This year I won't make the same mistake.

I think it will be a very tight race this year. I hope more people will get out and vote. Last time, my mother said she wouldn't vote because her vote didn't matter. Imagine the lecture I gave her the following day!


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hey walker, good to see you! My daughter and I also took a candidate quiz online and also both came out with the majority of our positions being aligned with Kucinich's. I told her to go to his web site and read about him if she wanted to find out more- (she didn't know who he was!). We also both had really low numbers when it came to agreeing with Bush on the issues- 11% for her and 5% for me! We have an open primary coming up this Tuesday and when my daughter asked me who I was going to vote for, I said probably Kerry. "Why not Kucinich?" And I told her that I heard a woman from So. Carolina interviewed on the TV news who said, " I'd vote for a monkey if he could beat Bush in November." I may not go that far, but we talked about the differences between electablity and which candidate actually matches your points of view. Her conclusion? Our system sucks! With the exception of some local elections, I have been voting *against* candidates for so long that I don't even think about it anymore. Sad, really. BTW, DC was here recently and said some negative things about Kucinich- a real opportunistic politician type. I had never heard that before, but I really don't know much about him except for the online quiz results. Dean really freaked me out when I heard his ranting on the radio and I didn't realize til recently that lots of other people had the same reaction. Too bad. Kerry just seems like another *yawn* to me, but I will vote for him if he can beat Bush.

Hi, Cassandra! Thanks for the welcome! Michael Kinsley has an interesting take on pragmatic voting - http://slate.msn.com/id/2095009/

The last time I was here, I believe we were debating the wisdom and perils of preemptive wars, invading Iraq, and the potentially dangerous precedent the US was on the verge of setting. I remember thinking "this *evidence* better be good." Alas...

Govt, Xedout - re: excercise, I really admire you both!! I've been looking around for an affordable treadmill, and have a question: is it really necessary (in your opinion) to get one with a motor? Or does a "self-powered" one suffice?

And hi, Walker! Nice to see you here.

Hello, JM! It's nice to be here.

Oh, and, I'm on the treadmill too!!! It's deadly dull unless I bring my cd player. The Cure does wonders for getting me jazzed about it (as does The Cult and Shriekback).

JM, I'm not familiar with a non-motorized treadmill. Wouldn't that be the sidewalk?

Hiya, WALKER.

I don't see how one candidate can "ruin" the election for someone else. Nader has as much right to run for election as anyone else. Gore didn't win because he didn't have the votes, not because Nader "stole" them from him. Each candidate has to win -or lose- on their own.

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LOL Govt .... yes, they do sell non-motorized ones. I just wonder if they're any good though.

JM, I have a motorized one. Someone I know had a manual one. Some fitness people recommend the manual ones - so people have to work harder and that they don't cheat. For a lot of people, it's hard enough to find the motivation to exercise, period, so whether one "cheats" or not is irrelevant. Yes, the motorized one is easier. But, if it keeps people active, it's good. The manual ones are quite inexpensive compared to the motorized ones. I guess it depends on how much you want to spend/can afford. If you hate going on the manual one, you'll find a way to not use it.

The electric ones can be pricey. If you want one, check into what kind of use you'll be making of it. Some are more heavy-duty than others. If you plan to make a commitment, getting one is a good investment. You don't have to join an expensive gym and then wait in line to use it.

Also check your equivalent of the Bargain Finder. A lot of people go gung-ho and buy an expensive piece of exercise equipment and then it ends up being a glorified clothes hanger three to six months later. Or people move and you might be able to get a good deal.

And Govt, I'll usually watch the news when I go on mine. Mine faces the wall so I have to watch it backwards.

And I do like the manual treadmill aka the sidewalk.

Govtlawyer, I totally agree!

My "manual" treadmill has had a lot of ice and snow on it lately, so I haven't been out walking! I'm in one of my non-exercise ruts and maybe reading everyone's experiences will motivate me to get back into it.
As for Bush/Gore/Nader, I guess my take on it is that if there had been more support for Gore, than it wouldn't have made any difference if Nader got votes. Most people who make the "spoiler" argument assume that all those Nader votes would have gone to Gore, but it's also possible that they might not have voted at all because they didn't like either candidate!

Cassandra, the normal "manual" treadmill for me (aka the sidewalk) has also had its problems lately. I went for my first outdoor walk on Sunday since the holidays. It's either been too icy (a lot of freezing rain in January), snowy, or cold (we're talking windchills in the high -40s and low -50s), or combination of all three. Yes, one January day we got regular rain, freezing rain, and then snow.

Hmmmm, I didn't realize there really were non-motorized treadmills. The logic escapes me. The motorized one we have doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles, but you can change the incline and the speed, and get a read-out of time, calories, distance. I crank up the speed as I "move" along. I've been on a friend's motorized treadmill that was a super-duper model with several built-in programs - even it's alleged lowest level program gave quite a workout. It automatically changed the incline and speed at certain intervals (always with a warning).

WALKER - what else have you been up to?

Xedout, thanks a lot, that was a very informative and consise summary. I think I'll order a manual one for now, because the motorized ones are simply not in the budget.

If they had "natual" non-motorized treadmills aka sidewalks around here I'd just walk outside, but they don't, which is a bit dangerous. Mothers hardly ever let kids walk alone either, which is not surprising. Since we're so close to the sea I guess they were more concerned with drainage ditches than with sidewalks.....

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Thanks for asking. Last year I completed CERT training (Community Emergency Response Team) which is a part of the AmeriCorps/FEMA volunteer group. I now know how to use a fire extinguisher, search and rescue, triage, apply a tourniquet, and (most importantly) how not to become a part of the problem. This week I will get continuing training on Skywarn Training (recognizing and reporting inclement weather).

I've been renovating my house (new kitchen, new drywall). Still have alot to do.

Last week I took my first dance lesson - Salsa and Merengue - and then went dancing. It was alot of fun!

I volunteered to work the polls on election day, haven't heard back yet.

I put on 30 pounds during the decade I was trying to have a child and now I have a personal goal to get back to my healthy weight. It's a mental thing with me; the 30 pounds reminds me too much of that time and messed up my metabolism, as well. I'm in my 40s and want to enter my 50s fit and healthy. The exercise makes me feel good too, emotionally and physically.

JM, before you order one, try to find one in a fitness store that you can test out for a little bit. Don't just buy one for the sake of having one. The manual ones are in the $100-$200 range. See how sturdy and stable they are, how much room there is to walk on. Is it comfortable, is it stiff, does it stick, etc. See if you actually enjoy using it or want to use it. If it's a lousy piece of equipment, you're not going to use it and it'll be a waste of money.

If you can find a decent gym in your area, you may be better off paying for the membership and using their equipment for a while. Til you see what you like and then decide what you want in your home.

Check your local newspaper too. People do buy exercise equipment with good intentions and then a few months later they sell it for whatever reason - boredom, giving up on the program, moving, injury, you name it. If you have a Bargain Finder (a newspaper where people sell *everything*), check that out. Check out garage sales, ads in supermarkets, etc.

Some stores that sell fitness equipment (i.e. Sears) also have very reasonable financing available. If you spend $1000 you pay maybe $79 a month and it'll take you just over a year to pay it off. If you're serious about it.

I was lucky to buy mine from my ex-boss.

Just make sure that when you do get some fitness equipment that it's something that you want and will use.

Well, you certainly haven't been sitting around, WALKER. WOW! Are you doing the house renovations yourself?

What are you going to do with all of your new emergency training? Will you be part of a local group that gets called up in emergencies?

Mr. govt and I took dance lessons once - I think we were the worst couple on the floor. Funny thing, too, because I love music and play the piano - but, I'm not very good at dancing.

OKAY - we can change this to The Exercise Forum. It seems like a lot of us are involved or are seeking to be. We have a neat store concept in this area called Second Wind that buys folks' exercise equipment and then resells at cheaper prices. I think XEDOUT had some good suggestions about figuring out exactly what you want to buy, JM.

Govt, we have a few stores that sell used sports equipment (Play it Again Sports). It's mainly kids' hockey and other (soccer, skateboards, etc.) equipment but they are getting some fitness machines. If parents have their kids involved in hockey, buying new equipment each year really adds up. This is a nice way to save some money.

Thanks a lot Xedout ... that's some really good advice. I'll look around a bit before I buy anything. I think there's a fitness studio somewhere in town that might give me a free trial to get familiar with the different models, to see which ones I really like. Anyways, thanks again!

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I play the piano too, Govt ... on and off since I was nine. Mainly classical. My favourite: JS Bach. What music do you play/like?

Govtlawyer,

Here's what CERT says about itself: The Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) trains people in neighborhoods, the workplace, and schools in basic disaster response skills, such as fire suppression, urban search and rescue, and medical operations, and helps them take a more active role in emergency preparedness. The CERT course is taught in the community by a trained team of first responders who have completed a CERT Train-the-Trainer course conducted by their state training office for emergency management, or FEMA's Emergency Management Institute (EMI), located in Emmitsburg, Maryland. CERT training includes disaster preparedness, disaster fire suppression, basic disaster medical operations, and light search and rescue operations.

In the event of an emergency or disaster, CERT members would congregate at an agreed upon location and go into action. The idea is to assist the community in the event first responders (EMTs, fire/rescue) cannot get there first. After a hurricane, first responders might be overwhelmed or simply cannot get to your neighborhood because of downed lines or washed out roads. CERT members would go into action until things got under control. The only problem for me is that I live in South Tampa and the people I trained with live in North Tampa - there is no team in South Tampa!

My ex and I took dance lessons (ballroom, foxtrot, etc) 11 years ago - I bought a package as an anniversary present which turned out to be a bad idea because he hated it! The lessons did not go well. Anyway, I've been waiting for someone to come along who would enjoy dancing with me, but decided to stop waiting and take classes myself. My dance partner from class went dancing with me after class and I had loads of fun. People of all ages were dancing and changing partners. My partner was spinning me around and I was giggling quite a bit. I felt like a teenager. :-)

Renovations - I hired a handy man to do the heavy work (gut my den, replace drywall, put in new cabinets, repair plumbing) and I did the cleaning and painting (lots and lots of painting). I've decided to buy a power painter for the exterior; I don't want to wear myself out again.

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You are going to do the exterior painting on your entire house, WALKER? Is it one or two-story? Clapboards? Does it need scraping first? That is QUITE a job.

So, in an emergency, you are going to "hop to" and take charge. I like that. Do you have a vest to wear?

JM, I like to play classical, Mozart is one of my favorites. I also love show tunes and Christian music. I don't play as often as I used to, but I try not to get too rusty. I've played some for church -but not in awhile. I hang out in the choir and sing. That is another of my special interests...choral singing. I started piano when I was 6 and singing in a choir (kids, of course) when I was 6. I like to do plays (we've put on many productions at our church - usually I'm cast in one of the "character" roles - the woman with the loud voice, or obnoxious ways, etc. - my family says it is typecasting) --- so, I guess I'm just a "ham".

Actually, I'm really gentle and quiet...

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You are going to do the exterior painting on your entire house, WALKER? Is it one or two-story? Clapboards? Does it need scraping first? That is QUITE a job.

So, in an emergency, you are going to "hop to" and take charge. I like that. Do you have a vest to wear?

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It's one story, 3br house. It needs cleaning and scraping, then I'll tape up the windows and let loose with the pressure painter (that's the plan, anyway). I'm on my own, so I just assume I can tackle whatever load my muscles will bear. My mother thinks I should just use a roller (!) but she's WonderWoman and I explained to her that I'm NOT.

I DO have a vest. In fact, I have a backpack with hardhat and some groovy yellow tape (that says Do Not Cross or something like that). We received a backpack of supplies upon graduating from the course. As I sat alone watching the Towers burn 2.5 years ago, it occurred to me that a) I didn't know the first thing about how to help and b) I wouldn't even know where to go to volunteer. That's when I decided to find a way to help. I'm taking CPR next month (which I had 25 yrs ago when doing lifeguard training).

JM, a lot of gyms have free trial memberships for prospective clients. That way you get to check the place out before signing up. Which is a really good idea. It gives you the chance to see the clientele, the atmosphere, the cleanliness, etc. Any good fitness equipment store will also let you test out the machines or assess your needs and recommend products for you. Buying exercise equipment is an investment in your health and you want to choose wisely.

WALKER, a one-story house at least alleviates all the scary climbing. So, the hard part will be the prep work and the spray painting might actually be fun.

It's admirable that you've taken the time to become adept at emergency procedures. Someday it will prove useful to someone you encounter and that is a great thing.

EXERCISE: Has anyone used any other piece of exercise equipment (other than the treadmill) that they have found particularly good to use? I have crummy knees so a lot of bending, etc., is "out".

Govt, a long time ago I used an exercise bike and hated it. I've also done some step aerobics and hated that. I don't have a good sense of balance and I'm not thrilled with group exercise classes. I've done some workout tapes, but they tend to get boring after a while. Some people I know use and love elliptical trainers.

govt- I was using an elliptical trainer once upon a time back when I used to go to the gym, and although it took some getting used to, it was much kinder on my knees than other exercise equipment.

Thanks for the feedback. I don't know what an elliptical trainer is, but I can check it out at one of our Second Wind stores.

Govt, they look like tall bikes crossed with a treadmill.

Go to a search engine, type in elliptical trainer, and you should get any number of sites that have pictures.

Thanks, XEDOUT, I'll look it up.

Need to put the current topic into perspective:

Every time I get the urge to exercise, I lie down till the feeling passes.

The only exercise I get is jumping to conclusions.

The advantage of exercising everyday is that you die healthier.

from http://www.butlerwebs.com/jokes/diet.htm

Wow, this IS just like old times! LOL, Pegasus, at your "perspective!"

Walker, how are Noel and Blueberry (sp)? Chloe and Chester are doing great (though since I got a keyboard tray and they gained weight they don't help me type anymore).

Good for you workout women! I use a friend's treadmill sometimes, but definitely have to occupy myself with CDs, video, prayer, something to pass the time. But as someone who does both running outside and treadmill inside, interestingly enough, the treadmill really kicks my butt. Maybe because you're not allowed to slow down like I do when my running partner and I get deep into the meaning of life, work, family stuff, and so on (grin).

This South Carolinian voted for Edwards because I wanted him to have a seat at the table with his Two Americas message. According to the position papers at the League of Women Voters site, he seems to be a classic tax-and-spend-liberal. But that might be better than what we have now, a cut-taxes-and-spend conservative. . .

Love y'all!

Wow! Look at everyone turning up! PEG and XQQ. Hiya! I think I'll have to post your words of wisdom next to my treadmill, PEG.

Hi, XQQ!! Noelle is a healthy, ADORABLE two year old. Blueberry passed away October 2002. She was suffering from chronic renal failure but it was old-age that finally took her. Noelle has a sissy who just turned two, also, named Molly. Molly behaves very much like my Rachel; sometimes I think Rachel was reincarnated in Molly. She even "sits-up" like Rachel used to - on her back haunches like an otter (or is it prairie dog?). Freaked me out the first time she did it since the only cat I've ever seen do that is Rachel. Anyway, they are both happy to have a house to run around in, after being in an apartment (especially with "live" toys like the lizards who hazard a run through our patio).

How have you been?

Has anyone seen "The Passion of the Christ" yet? I haven't - but was just wondering if anyone else has and what's your reaction.

Govt-haven't seen the movie, but I've certainly heard a lot of press about it. There's something weird to me about a for-profit movie opening on Ash Wednesday. It just feels wrong. It also reminded me of the time I gave up going to the movies for Lent and then was tempted when all my friends went to see The Time Machine. (I was around 10 or so) I sat through about 15 minutes of the movie and then was so full of guilt that I ran out of the theater and all the way home thinking God was going to strike me down with a lightning bolt or something. I can understand why someone wrote a book titled Why Do Catholics Do That?

Walker and XQQ- I love hearing cat stories-although I am very sorry to hear about Blueberry. Our last cat died 5 years ago (in my arms) and we never got another one. This is the longest I've ever gone without a cat and I'm thinking that when our daughter goes to college next year, we may suddenly find we really want one again. I love how every single one of them has something unique and sometimes very un-catlike about them. I had one who could actually open the door to my refrigerator- I used to have to leave a chair against it whenever I left my apartment. I came home once to an empty bowl of soup on the floor!

Exercise: well, so far I've been to the gym 3 days this week after not being there for more months than I care to admit. I'm doing the treadmill and very light weights. My sister told me that she has pre-osteoporosis and she's a year younger than me. Her chiropracter recommended weight training.(and medication which she doesn't want to take) I've also been feeling a bit blue-real hormonal, hot flashes and all that- so I thought a little exercise would help there too. Mitch Pileggi and I are going to be 52 this April! Can you believe it?
Speaking of hunks, finally saw Pirates of the Caribbean. Johnny Depp.... what more can I say?

And in political news- I don't have the link, but there was a very interesting open letter to Ralph Nader and his reply in The Nation magazine. And this morning the oldies radio station was playing a parody of the song Old Blackwater keep on rolling- Old Ralph Nader keeps on running..... I wish I had heard the whole thing.

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