I've been throwing the idea around in the pub that Jacob is Bens constant, and that is how Ben (among others) is able to go to and from the island so easily. So the theory is that Jacob hasnt got a constant, thus he asks John locke for help. Ben has Jacob captured in the cabin (and in time) somehow and he (Jacob) is unable to leave the island as he has no constant of his own. After a few beers this theory started to feel as if it had some weight, and we all started to think we had got our heads around it. Its the next day now, and I can't quite remember all of what we came up with, but have tried to put the jist of the theory into a thread. (!) Anybody able to understand what I mean? (and possibly type it up in a more understandable way!) cheers.

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Originally posted by rhys:
I've been throwing the idea around in the pub that Jacob is Bens constant, and that is how Ben (among others) is able to go to and from the island so easily. So the theory is that Jacob hasnt got a constant, thus he asks John locke for help. Ben has Jacob captured in the cabin (and in time) somehow and he (Jacob) is unable to leave the island as he has no constant of his own. After a few beers this theory started to feel as if it had some weight, and we all started to think we had got our heads around it. Its the next day now, and I can't quite remember all of what we came up with, but have tried to put the jist of the theory into a thread. (!) Anybody able to understand what I mean? (and possibly type it up in a more understandable way!) cheers.

If you will send me a six - no, make that a 12 - pack of Guiness - the dark stuff - I will get right on it!

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Originally posted by pagecarl:

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Originally posted by rhys:
I've been throwing the idea around in the pub that Jacob is Bens constant, and that is how Ben (among others) is able to go to and from the island so easily. So the theory is that Jacob hasnt got a constant, thus he asks John locke for help. Ben has Jacob captured in the cabin (and in time) somehow and he (Jacob) is unable to leave the island as he has no constant of his own. After a few beers this theory started to feel as if it had some weight, and we all started to think we had got our heads around it. Its the next day now, and I can't quite remember all of what we came up with, but have tried to put the jist of the theory into a thread. (!) Anybody able to understand what I mean? (and possibly type it up in a more understandable way!) cheers.

If you will send me a six - no, make that a 12 - pack of Guiness - the dark stuff - I will get right on it!

When my grandmother drinks Guinness, she plays darts. Pretty well, especially for an 87-year-old!

rhys, how 'bout this? Jacob has no constant & is being held prisoner by Ben w/a line of kitty litter-appearing material. Jacob wants a constant so he can 1) leave the island; 2) travel in time; 3) both; 4) die & finally get his rest, because he 1) hates what Ben is doing w/the island's powers; 2) hates that Ben is holding him prisoner & wants revenge on Ben; 3) hates being stuck in a shack that's most definitely not the Love Shack.

I went for bad Japanese food tonight (wherein my grandson vomited on his father) so I've had no ale or stout or carbonated alcoholic anything; however, I have had two medium servings of sake and I have this to say to you Rhys: I'm tracking with you. I'll let you know if this sense of things carries into tomorrow.

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Originally posted by undaunted:
I went for bad Japanese food tonight (wherein my grandson vomited on his father) so I've had no ale or stout or carbonated alcoholic anything; however, I have had two medium servings of sake and I have this to say to you Rhys: I'm tracking with you. I'll let you know if this sense of things carries into tomorrow.

And OT for the moment, how are things going in the heartland? (Is it Oklahoma? Now I have that song "How are things in Glochamora (sp?)" stuck in my head.)

Sake + Alaïs's brain = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Finnean's rainbow, How are things in Glocca Morra.1968 Great movie, famous director! Funny how it popped into your head because it's kind of Lost like. Lots of weird things happened in Ireland in the movie, also Petula Clark was in it,Downtown. Too many coincidences or too many beers?

Its annoying me now! Should have got it on the old camera phone! I also forgot about the kitty litter stuff. I have to say we didn't bring that in to account! But yep, I still think that Ben has this whole 'constant' thing down to a fine art, Miles Quote - "Dont talk to me like I don't know what you can do!".... Bens going to have a massive wad of cash before we can say "Guinness", probably about 3.2 mil. And he wont have to go anywhere to get it. I'm thinking Biff Tannen in Back to the future 2. "Biffco". "The eeeeasy waaaay!". Classic.

I tend to agree that the writers will take the "easy" way out and explain virtually everything through some form of time travel. Of course, we have listed no end of questions which can't be answered by time travel (i.e. Smokie), but that seems to be the direction the show is taking, what with all of the flash forwards and flash backs. We have lost track of no end of other (interesting) story lines to focus on this time thing.

One thing to remember, time travel by itself does not earn you $3.2M. Anyone who has read any "immortal" stories, such as vampire stories, understands that. If you had the ability to go back in time, you can't just return to the current time with loads of cash. Just doesn't work that way. Going back in time simply allows you the knowledge to invest in ventures which will net huge money in the future. You still need to sell the Microsoft stock or put the 10 acres in the center of Aspen, CO on the market.

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Originally posted by Alaïs_Longthought:
And OT for the moment, how are things going in the heartland? (Is it Oklahoma? Now I have that song "How are things in Glochamora (sp?)" stuck in my head.)

Sake + Alaïs's brain = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

How are things in Oklahoma?
Is that little brook still leaping there?
Does it still run down to Porter Hill
through Duhringe Pass, Geronimo and Fort Sill?

I like it here Alais. I love being so near my son, his delightful wife and my grandchildren but it is also really pretty here. The plains are beautiful as I suspected they would be. The Wichita Mountains and Wildlife Refuge are about a half hour drive from Lawton. There is something ocean like about the vastness of it all, especially when the prarie grasses are moving in the wind. Right now I can hear the artillery rounds being fired in the distance at
Fort Sill. I'm a bit nervous about the whole tornado thing, although it is said here that the Wichitas protect us and it would seem they do. The summer heat is going to be dreadful but ... so it goes!

I have two theories about that:

1. I don't think a "constant" is anything more than someone or something which permits the traveler to get his bearings and so avoids a mental breakdown or physical trauma like stroke or heart attack brought on by stress.

At one point in my life I'd moved and traveled so much over a short time that I found myself in Sacramento, where I'd previously lived, feeling very unsettled, like..."Is this really Sacramento?" My friend said to me, "You have to go to Cyrus' house because where would Cyrus be but in Sacramento?" So I did go to see Cyrus and oddly, it worked. I felt grounded.

2. Until I hear a better explanation . . . I think that while Jacob's consciousness was in mid leap, he had the statistically almost impossible misfortune of his past and future bodies being killed simultaneously and now he is pretty much eternally disembodied.