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Key Points from "Eggtown"

I'm not a fan of Kate's story, but I did enjoy some of the secondary clues that popped up. And what's up with Miles' $3.2 million demand?

At least Ben asked why that number. Looks like this will be the season of asking follow-up questions. Finally! (Not that we've gotten more answers...)

When Jack was testifying in court he said there were eight of us who survived the crash. I found that interesting.

Is that part of protecting the ones who stayed behind? Is this the lie that Jack is tired of telling? Many many questions.

My first impression that this episode was not very revealing or tantalizing. Then when I realized the baby was Claire's my first thought was UH OH... the seer/palmist warned Claire NOT to let anybody else raise her baby.

I'm sure Aaron is an important part of the story. He must be. Lost creators don't just throw out trails that lead to nowhere. This isn't the X-Files, after all!

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Originally posted by 203040:
When Jack was testifying in court he said there were eight of us who survived the crash. I found that interesting.

Is that part of protecting the ones who stayed behind? Is this the lie that Jack is tired of telling? Many many questions.

I thought that jack was telling two lies which, because they were of the same time period, were essentially one.

The first was about the number of survivors. This is especially interesting because it implies that regardless of how the small group was rescued, the authorities still do not know about the island.

The second lie and the one I immediately thought of in the courtroom was the story of how important Kate was in the moments immediately after the crash. Recalling that episode, while Kate did stitch Jack up, he was much more important than she was. Jack was clearly trying to influence the jury and has probably been doing it since their rescue in anticipation of the trial.

So.. who is the last member of the Oceanic Six? My guess is the person in the casket at the end of season 3.

Who could that be. Someone without family? That narrows it down. Clair is possible. (Maybe she was just temporarily handing over custody of Aaron while she got on her feet, then something went horribly wrong). How about John Locke? That would be the most shocking (and most fun to see how he gets off the island). I say its Sawyer. It would be fitting that he would have an empty funeral parlor..

Could be anyone, but it seemed like the person was disliked. When Kate found out about it she was like,"why would I go to that?" like it was totally out of the question. I'm glad to hear that Kate said "Aaron" at the end of the last episode. I kept rewinding it and it sounded like Eric to me. That would've made no sense at all.

I forgot Kate said that ("why would I go to that?"). That seals it! Got to be Sawyer, the womanizing, baby hater she left at the barracks.

One other thing to mention in favor of Sawyer. Wasn't he desperate to get on the raft (and off the island)?

Here is a foreshadow for Eggtown..

In season one episode Greater Good, Sawyer is reading while Aaron starts crying in Charlie's arms. Sawyer gets very agitated by the baby (before Charlie figures out it's Sawyers voice soothing him to stop crying).

Am I the only one who thought that Miles was using his mind reading/ghost buster moojoo instead of just asking for money? Maybe what he wanted to talk about wasn't safe for Kate's ears, so he used a different kind of mental trigger- the 3.2 million.

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Originally posted by sdrawkcabton88:
Am I the only one who thought that Miles was using his mind reading/ghost buster moojoo instead of just asking for money? Maybe what he wanted to talk about wasn't safe for Kate's ears, so he used a different kind of mental trigger- the 3.2 million.

Hard to tell but yes, you might be the only one.

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Originally posted by sdrawkcabton88:
Am I the only one who thought that Miles was using his mind reading/ghost buster moojoo instead of just asking for money? Maybe what he wanted to talk about wasn't safe for Kate's ears, so he used a different kind of mental trigger- the 3.2 million.

You may be onto something. I'm pretty sure "3.2 million" is Other code for "there's a man in the closet with a gun to my daughter's head".

I wondered about that too, it certainly seemed as if the figure was meant to be significant in some specific way to Ben, although whether he took the meaning or not is hard to say.

I don't think Aaron is to be counted among the Oceanic 6 although without more information about the "official" story it's hard to say.

And as for the coffin: we know Ben got off the island because of the Sayid flash-forward last week so I think it is Ben - remember that Jack said something about "we can't get back to the island without him" (or sth similar) to Kate in the final episode of S3? And it would account for Kate's reaction too, surely? As well as the empty funeral parlour - after all, he doesn't know anyone.

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Originally posted by patcon:

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Originally posted by sdrawkcabton88:
Am I the only one who thought that Miles was using his mind reading/ghost buster moojoo instead of just asking for money? Maybe what he wanted to talk about wasn't safe for Kate's ears, so he used a different kind of mental trigger- the 3.2 million.

You may be onto something. I'm pretty sure "3.2 million" is Other code for "there's a man in the closet with a gun to my daughter's head".

My thought is that the $3.2M means something to Miles but not to Ben, at least not at this point. We will probably find out about it in an upcoming flashback.

We know that Ben is in direct conflict with some other group on the mainland. Remember that the show has always had connections to the con. I'm wondering that during the course of Ben's battles with this other group, somebody from the other side had their life ruined and lost $3.2M in the process? Much like in the Sawyer situation, the con cannot even remember. In this case, Ben does not even remember the relevance of that amout. Miles intent is to rebuild the life of whoever was ruined.

Given Ben's reaction, he seemed clueless.

And just as a question to everyone, why would Aaron NOT be counted as one of the Oceanic 6?

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Originally posted by pagecarl:

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Originally posted by patcon:

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Originally posted by sdrawkcabton88:
Am I the only one who thought that Miles was using his mind reading/ghost buster moojoo instead of just asking for money? Maybe what he wanted to talk about wasn't safe for Kate's ears, so he used a different kind of mental trigger- the 3.2 million.

You may be onto something. I'm pretty sure "3.2 million" is Other code for "there's a man in the closet with a gun to my daughter's head".

My thought is that the $3.2M means something to Miles but not to Ben, at least not at this point. We will probably find out about it in an upcoming flashback.

We know that Ben is in direct conflict with some other group on the mainland. Remember that the show has always had connections to the con. I'm wondering that during the course of Ben's battles with this other group, somebody from the other side had their life ruined and lost $3.2M in the process? Much like in the Sawyer situation, the con cannot even remember. In this case, Ben does not even remember the relevance of that amout. Miles intent is to rebuild the life of whoever was ruined.

Given Ben's reaction, he seemed clueless.

And just as a question to everyone, why would Aaron NOT be counted as one of the Oceanic 6?

I also thought Ben appeared clueless about the 3.2 mil. I like your explanation for why Miles chose that specific amount and I suspect you will be proven to be correct.

Re: Aaron not being counted as one of the 6 ... No logical reason for not including him. He was a survivor of the crash so if that is Aaron in Kate's house, then he is one of the 6.

My reasoning for not including Aaron was that he was not a separate passenger on the flight, but now that I think about it, he is of course a survivor of the crash.

I suppose I was thinking about the story of their apparent rescue and the "8 survivors" and the fact that Aaron is being referred to as Kate's son. The authorities would know that she wasn't heavily pregnant at the time of the flight, so I assume if she expects everyone to believe he is hers he would have to have been "born" after the rescue.

Yes, PC, I like the idea of Miles having a particular reason for that figure that is connected to Ben and Ben doesn't even realise it.

And it was intriguing to hear him say "We know who you are and what you can do" - what is it that Ben CAN do, I wonder?

And a final question: why "Eggtown"?

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Originally posted by YinYang:
And it was intriguing to hear him say "We know who you are and what you can do" - what is it that Ben CAN do, I wonder?

And a final question: why "Eggtown"?

I think Ben can spin gold from straw.

Eggtown is a reference to a place or a situation in which you are not going to profit so it's not worth your time. Years ago traveling salesmen would sometimes trade their products for other goods rather than cash and the least valuable goods were eggs because they were plentiful, they didn't travel well, and they spoiled fast. So a town that didn't present a good sales or bartering opportunity was called an eggtown.

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Originally posted by undaunted:

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Originally posted by YinYang:
And it was intriguing to hear him say "We know who you are and what you can do" - what is it that Ben CAN do, I wonder?

And a final question: why "Eggtown"?

I think Ben can spin gold from straw.

Eggtown is a reference to a place or a situation in which you are not going to profit so it's not worth your time. Years ago traveling salesmen would sometimes trade their products for other goods rather than cash and the least valuable goods were eggs because they were plentiful, they didn't travel well, and they spoiled fast. So a town that didn't present a good sales or bartering opportunity was called an eggtown.

Dauntless and Yin, this description of "Eggtown" makes me think even more strongly that Miles is "trading" with Ben for something that has great meaning to Miles but is meaningless to Ben. Given the Eggtown reference it would seem to imply that Miles is playing over his head in a game with Ben and that Miles will, regardless, end up with nothing of value.

That statement, "we know what you can do", was one of the most curious and I suspect one of the most important of the episode. While the obvious reference might have been to Ben's role as the protagonist against this other as yet unknown group, I wonder if instead it is a reference to some powers as related to the island. Since the freighter bunch certainly know lots about the island, it would seem that they would know about Ben's interactions on the island. This should lead to their interest in Locke.

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Originally posted by pagecarl:
That statement, "we know what you can do", was one of the most curious and I suspect one of the most important of the episode. While the obvious reference might have been to Ben's role as the protagonist against this other as yet unknown group, I wonder if instead it is a reference to some powers as related to the island. Since the freighter bunch certainly know lots about the island, it would seem that they would know about Ben's interactions on the island. This should lead to their interest in Locke.

Clearly, whatever it is Ben can do, Miles seems to think he can do it from that cell because didn't Miles give him a deadline to come up with the money? Was it a week?

The implication is that Ben can leave that locke-ed room if he chooses to.

Or he can simply do whatever he needs from the island, regardless of captivity.

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Eggtown is a reference to a place or a situation in which you are not going to profit so it's not worth your time. Years ago traveling salesmen would sometimes trade their products for other goods rather than cash and the least valuable goods were eggs because they were plentiful, they didn't travel well, and they spoiled fast. So a town that didn't present a good sales or bartering opportunity was called an eggtown.

Interesting, Undaunted, thanks. Never heard it before.

Now I have two more questions, thinking back on the episode:

- What was the card game about, with Dan and Charlotte? Was it connected to some kind of short-term memory loss?

- Why doesn't future Jack want to see Aaron? Does he KNOW it's Aaron? Or does he also think it's Kate's child?

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Originally posted by YinYang

Now I have two more questions, thinking back on the episode:

- What was the card game about, with Dan and Charlotte? Was it connected to some kind of short-term memory loss?

- Why doesn't future Jack want to see Aaron? Does he KNOW it's Aaron? Or does he also think it's Kate's child?

I thought the cards were for testing/exercising his memory. He had a caregiver; could be he suffered a brain injury. A caregiver isn't just for bathing and feeding, sometimes people need someone around to make sure they don't leave the stove on, that sort of thing.

Now that we know for certain it is Aaron I think Jack must know it's him. How could he not know? Maybe he doesn't want to see the baby because he feels guilt or regret for separating Claire from her child.

Late to the party this week, but FWIW:

Re Daniel & Charlotte's card-guessing parlor trick: I interpreted it as an ESP trial rather than Daniel working on his short-term memory.

Re Kate & Aaron: Based on the way the episode played out (w/Kate's interactions w/Claire), it wasn't too much of a surprise that Kate's son turned out to be Aaron. But I still have a niggling doubt that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron...just because it seems obvious that it's Claire's Aaron.

Re Kate's mom: Was it just me or did she seem threatening when she told Kate she wanted to see her grandson?

Re Locke: You'd think that he'd have learned by now to not go having temper tantrums where Ben can hear him.

Re Ben & Miles: There was a lot of speculation under Mac's review that Miles is Ben's man on the boat. Whether Miles is or not, it did seem like their conversation was a code. Perhaps Miles w