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Hi everyone!
The latest edition of Key Points is now available: Key Points from "Namaste" Put yourself back to the very beginning of season two -- when we first heard about the Dharma Initiative. Could you possibly imagine a scenario where a handful of major characters become part of that initiative ... and it still made sense within the show's narrative? Very impressive work. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Senior Editor, Owner, Guy Who Writes the Lost Blog The Fodder Network: Interesting Blogs for Interesting People |
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Thanks once again for your synopsis! It's the first Lost-related writing I look at every Thursday.
 Prediction: We'll find that Daniel is involved somehow in "The Incident", and maybe that's why he's no longer running around Dharmaville in 1977 - he's left 1977 altogether. |
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Possible, maybe he's obsessed with trying to keep Charlotte from dying, even though he knows its not possible.
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I don't understand why Sun wasn't sucked into 1977 with the rest of the Oceanic Six....
And at the end of "316" we saw the newly resurrected Locke looking at injured Ben lying on a bed with other injured passengers. So what's up with the timeline? Because last night we saw Ben head off for the boats immediately once he realised they were on Hydra island. I assumed that once he woke up from being clocked on the head by Sun, he'd just hop in the other boat and carry on with the plan. This message has been edited. Last edited by: YinYang, |
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I too wonder why Sun wasn't foomed with the other four. The only thing that I am aware of which separates her from Jack, Sayid, Kate, Hugo is her motive for being there. She is there because she is really really pissed off. She's come to fetch Jin and I suspect there is something of a vendetta fueling her reason to return.
Re: Ben being unconscious in the infirmary...Could be Sun really did some damage when she walloped him with the oar. She might have caused him a serious brain injury. I still have the feeling that Lapidus was intended to be among the surviviors of 815. I'm thinking that is why the pilot of 815 had to die...Smokey was peeved that it was the wrong guy. Christian greeting Sun & Lapidus in that ruin of a Dharma building is intriguing. Is that building in a remote areas we haven't seen before? Because if it isn't...then did something happen to change the course of events to give us Dharma ruins rather than New Otherville? Where was Locke for 3 years? My daughter in law (who lurks here) was wondering about that. Locke turned the DW at the same time that Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sun, Sayid, Lapidus got off the island. The returnees were in the real world for three years when Locke shows up and tells Widmore that he was on the island just 3 days ago. Is that telling us that, at least as far as turning the DW goes, it is possible to leap from the present present to the future? We've seen people leap to the past and then leap from there forward to return to the present. But have we seen anyone prior to Locke leap from the present present to 3 years in the future? My nose is bleeding. |
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I'll have to go back and 'listen', but were there whispers at the end of 'Namaste'? Someone here once posited, I think, that the whispers were the voices of folks in a different time but in the same physical location...out of phase enough to not been seen, but still heard (faintly).
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Maybe it was the "proxy effect" Jack was himself (self absorbed) Hurley was Charlie (minus heroin) Sayid was Kate (cuffed and with a Marshal) Kate was Sayid (trying to reconnect with a lost love? bit of stretch here) Sun is the opposite of the person she once was and physically missing her husband. |
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It's interesting. Locke was Christian Shepherd, then. |
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Even Ben was sorta Charlie. He was in the Bathroom when the plane crashed. Does this also mean that Lapidus' and the Marshall's days are numbered?
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Actually, I think that Locke jumped into the future by three years. That is the only explanation that makes sense for him. While the mechanisms of time travel employed by the writers might not be supportable, they have been rather good at maintaining the time sequences. Thus, John had to at some point travel forward to make up that time. Didn't the collapsed signs on the Dharma building where Christian found Sun and Lapidus indicate that it was the intake building that Jake, Kate, et al had been processed in? I'll have to re-watch that scene. I thought that was why the signage inside the intake building was shown so clearly - so we could make the connection later. I'll look back at that. I do think that Lapidus will be taking a larger role in future episodes. Maybe the writers need him to fly a plane in a future episode. His crashed airliner was in remarkably good condition on the small island. My thoughts on why only some of the Losties were "flashed" and others (Sun, Ben, John) were not is a bit different. If we are to believe the island holds some power, it might be that the island knows who it needs, and for what reason. Sun has already had her baby. She might never have been of interest to the island. It might have been Jin and she was just along as his wife. That might mean that future Ben is no longer a player. As we knew would happen, past ben has made his appearance. Now, of course, is the speculation of how he will play. First, with Sayid a prisoner, might Ben smuggle Sayid out of camp to the Others? That could be Ben's initial connection to the Others. That could also be how the Losties avoid the massacre. Richard already knows Sawyer/LaFleaur is not one of the Dharmites. Richard has to be curious and would likely welcome the opportunity to further question Sawyer. So the questin remains; how will all of the Losties get back together in time? I have always thought that it would involve John and the Donkey Wheel. I wonder now if it will be part of Christian's exhortation to Sun about how difficult it will be to get back to Jin. And just as interestingly, what time will they join together in? Logic would dictate it will be back in original show time. But since when has logic prevailed? I also wonder what plac Christian has in all this. We have timeless Richard in the past and apparently timeless Christian in the future. Is there anyone still in the present? What time is Faraday in? And I do continue to feel the whispers are people from the same location but slightly out of time phase. That actually kind of fits quantum physics where time is not a river with a defined beginning and end. And how did the Ajira folks (from the last episode) know that Lapidus took the boat? Do they stumble on the other boats and find Ben? It seems to me the Ajira crash, finding John on the beach and John seeing Ben in the bed don't seem to fit together in a timeline. Ben went through the entire Sun-boat-beach-oar to the head deal before John somehow appeared on the beach? Assuming that we simply accept John', rebirth, why would he not appear at the same time as Ben and Sun? Did I miss something? |
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PageCarl:
I wrote a long brillant response to your above post but upon re-reading it, I realized it was a load of crap! I had no other option than to erase it. I got caught up in the matter of time travel and the whole thing unraveled (unraveled crap?). In my previous post I suggested that Ben could not make the leap along with Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid because he was already physically present in 1977. And that made me think that surely in all of the time skipping we've seen thus far, the leapers have lept back into a time in which they were already born so why would that prevent Ben from leaping to 1977? But then I thought, Didn't we see Desmond leap backwards INTO himself? Oh! Pardon, as I wipe the bit of blood trickling from my nose. And that made me wonder if Desmond is the only one whose consciousness leaps into his past/future body. Everyone else leaps body into another time...the Lostee 4 disappearing from the Ajira flight, Jin disappearing before Rousseau's eyes. The Man From Talahassee appears on the island none the worse for wear. If Desmond has the ability to leap consciousness from one time to another, then I wonder if that is Jacob's dilemma. And I remembered that I considered this possibility several seasons ago. If one's consciouness is leaping, what happens if the body they are leaping to in that time frame dies while they are leaping? Is their consciousness then forever disembodied? Is that what happened to Jacob? And aren't we told that Desmond is "special" somehow? Is that what sets him apart from the others? That his consciousness, not his body, time travels? Wouldn't it be something to learn that it is Desmond who is central to the island's well being! That Widmore purposely sent Desmond on that sailing race to hide him in plain sight on the island. It is interesting that he is the one and the only who flat out refuses to return to the island. Which makes me think that poor Penny is now dead and that will be what motivates Desmond to return to the island. With regard to the timing of Ben being walloped by Sun on the beach...I don't think you missed anything. I figured it happened very quickly after Frank landed the plane, prior to Locke's reappearance in his current state of re-animation. |
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Dauntless, I agree about the people jumping back to a point they are already alive. However, has anyone jumped to a point where they are alive on the island? Of course, the answer is yes, even though we have not been allowed to see them together. When Sawyer, Locke et. al. are slurfling through the jungle after one of the time shifts and Sawyer hears and then sees the ladies, he was certainly also alive in that time frame somewhere on the island, as was John. So there was a clear case of the same person alive in two bodies at the same time.
I'm still not buying the time sequence of John and Ben. Where (when?) was John between when the plane crashed and when he appeared on the beach. And how, if we have seen the plane land on the strip on a higher plateau, did all of the Ajirans end up on the beach? And how have we seen several scenes of wreckage from Ajira on the beach? And why have we lost all of our contributors here? |
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I too miss all of the contributors. That is why i stopped coming here. Now, it seems that Mac does his usual great job of reviewing the epiode and then there are 300 responses/contributions after it. These responses/contributions are in no particular and conversations overlap each other. Yeah, i know it's the beauty of a blog. I preferred the set up here where people created a thread for discussion and then it was discussed. If you didn't care about a particular thread you didn't have to look at it. As it is now, you have to read through 250-300 messages to see if there is anything that you find interesting. I just don't have time for that. So, I read Mac's review and move on.
Mac, thanks for your efforts! |
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I'm still here...lurking & reading. But I'm back in school (going for my MLS) & am now a single parent, so unfortunately my posting is taking a back seat to other stuff. Still trying to keep up w/all the posts here, though!
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I feel where you're coming from, I can barely make time to WATCH Lost let alone make lucid comments longer than a couple of sentences since starting Med school
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I'm here, just haven't had much [relevant] to say. I think a lot of the time travel details are at the convenience of the writers, so it hasn't been worthwhile to me to analyze them. The whole "recreate the original flight" thing is a bunch of BS to me. How can an original passenger substitute for another original passenger? That's just stupid - Eloise only halfway knew what she was talking about. I think Hurley brought Charlie's guitar hoping that would resurrect him on the island - and that makes sense since Hurley's been getting all those visitors. As for the landing, Undaunted must be right, that Locke took awhile to revive, then contemplated his navel for a bit. By the time he debarked, Sun had whupped Ben & disappeared with Lapidus; Cesar had sent searchers after them, retrieved Ben, deduced what happened, setup an infirmary, and cowed everyone into submission. We don't know how far away the canoes were, but the whole thing could've been under 3-4 hrs. Still don't know why Sun didn't foom. Unless it was just a little mistake by the island. Maybe the island doesn't have complete control, esp with so many people messing with its FDW. Thangs changed after the hatch blew up, that could've thrown several systems awry. One more burning question: ???carl, what is "slurfling?" |
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Slurfling is sort of what a human would do in listlessly wandering through the woods with only the thinnest of goals and destinations in mind. Kind of like purposelessly sauntering with elements of a snail's slime track added in for effect. Slurfling. I'm aghast that you had to ask. And I'm still not buying the John time delay onto the beach thing. There were all sorts of Ajirites left on the beach who would have seen John appear. I also don't htink it is an important element of the show. |
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I've been known to slurfle, but I didn't know that is what it's called.
The timing of John's reappearance: I don't think it's important either but that doesn't stop me from arguing about it...that would be the Sicilian in me. So... But Carl, he was in a coffin in the cargo hold of the jet. All the other passengers left the plane, gathered together in something of a state of shock. Pulled the injured from plane and moved them to a shelter. Gathered their wits. John took his time, got out waited until he was alone, made his way out of the cargo hold and went slurfling about unnoticed until he was seen standing serenely in the surf. On the other hand...how the hell did he get out of the cargo hold? Or the coffin for that matter. So yeah, you've got a point there PageCarl. PS: Thanks for checking in you guys! Good to see your smiling icons. |
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Ah, I see. I'm unfamiliar with such concepts, let alone the specific vocab. Can you imagine me ever wandering without a goal? [...must stay out long enough to burn 1000 calories...must reach the waterfall by lunchtime...must turn back 2 hrs before sundown...must make more lists...] |
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I like & appreciate the concept of lists; I make then from time to time and then I totally ignore them. My style is to go in with a specific goal in mind and then I aim in that general direction. |
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So can I assume that I am alone here in heading out in no particular direction with absolutely no objective? How can you wander aimlessly across a storm-tossed Pacific beach if you aren't, well, aimless? Hurling, are you saying you always have a goal in mind? Wow! |
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It's not so much that I have some lofty goal all the time, it's that I tend to be OCO (it's not a DISorder, it's order!). I have to make plans & know what's coming next, even if it's as vague as "I'm going to hike around the woods for awhile." I have to have a rough guess how long I'll be out, so I know whether to bring snacks. I might not have any plans for the evening when I return, but in my head, I'll be thinking, "shower, take-out Chinese, watch TV, throw in a load of laundry." And I'll have the # of the Chinese restaurant in my phone so I can stop on the way home. I have been called "The most organized person on Earth." I'm not inflexible - if someone calls me at the last minute to go out, I can do that. But I generally plan what's going to happen when. |
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No, you are not alone ... More often than not, when I head out on a hike I end up "slurfling" along, distracted by the random tree, insect, flower, animal sign, or rock I happen to stumble upon along the way ... isn't that the joy of it? Unfortunately, I also sometimes (often?) find myself mind-slurfling at work, only to find I'm now well behind schedule.  |
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You're not alone PC. My goal might be, "I'm going to relax" then I set off in the general direction of relaxation. I might be headed for the mountains and end up in a used bookstore. Either way, I'm relaxed.
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Oh, sure, I can do that. I might set off for a used bookstore and end up going to both a used & and new bookstore, and maybe buying a candy bar as well as a book. That's the same thing, right? Right? |
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Obviously the word "slurfing" just got added to all of our permanent vocabularies.
I tend to slurf the Web. |
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Yes, cujos again to ???carl for adding another word to our vocab. There's an extra "l" Alais, so it's "slurfling." Don't know if that's correct, since dear ???carl isn't one of our best spellers, but that's how it must stand, since that's how he spelled the first occurrence. So I think the simple present tense must be "slurfle." |
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Whoops...thanks for picking up on my misspelling, hurling. So: I slurfle. You slurfle. He/she slurfles. I wonder how many times one can distinctly say slurfle in a row when one has been slurping Dharma wine? |
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