Whooooeeee!

The final Key Points review from season 5 is now available for your reading pleasure:

Key Points from "The Incident, Parts 1 and 2"

Wow. That was a big 'un.

Love the symbolism of inverting the colors at the end, as if the shift in power on the island has been made.

A few opening thoughts:

-Mrs. Nemo suggested we refer to "Guy #2" as Esau (as in the Biblical story of Jacob and Esau).
-When Juliet was whacking the nuclear weapon, we saw the screen go white and assumed it was the bomb. But what if it was one of the white-light time jumps? Or what if it was a white blast similar to when the Hatch “exploded”?
-New Locke must be Esau in that he and Jacob finished their conversation about loopholes.
-In the temple we saw the carving of the statue facing off against what we assumed to be Smokey. When Ben went to be judged, New Locke did not go with him, then Smokey appeared, then Smokey disappeared, the Alex appeared, then Alex disappeared, then New Locke reappeared. So if Smokey=Esau, then Smokey essentially took the form of Alex to tell Ben to obey New Locke (who is also Smokey).
-It was nice to see Ben get a taste of his own medicine in term of being manipulated.

A thought just hit me. In the finale we saw that Jacob made it a point to touch all the losties in the flashbacks. Perhaps marking them.

When Locke was in the cavern Christian insisted on NOT touching Locke (i.e. by helping him up). Is it possible that Christian is "Esau"? Since Locke was already marked by Jacob, Christian couldn't touch him. Then it would seem that Jacob's advesary is influencing island events.

If that is the case, was it "Esau" that was trapped in the cabin, since that is where we found Christian. When Locke asks are you Jacob, he says he is authorized to speak on his behalf. Was this manipulation? Did Christian want Locke to move the island so that he would die? Recall Christian got mad at the idea that Ben turned the wheel and not Locke and he insisted that Locke turn the wheel. Was it "Esau" that locked the wheel so Locke was forced to come down and finish it so Locke could exit the island? Also Christian re-emphasized Fake Locke's message that he must die, "that is why it is called sacrifice!"

I think the Jacob/Esau analogy is a good one.

I wonder if Jacob touched Lapidus? I can't help but wonder if Lapidus' absence on flight 815 is the variable that screwed up a master plan.

I think LOST is not about good vs evil, but rather balance. yin/yang.

Choice. Rose and Bernard chose to live their lives in the here and now and are content. Doesn't matter if it's 1977 or 2007, if you're in it, it's now.

I don't think the bomb detonated. I think we had an electro magnetic induced time foom.

I am totally perplexed by the essence of Jacob and Esau. They are old. The enmity between them is as old as they are. Esau appears to be able to shape-shift...which I'm not happy about, but what the hell.

I'm Popeye...No I'm Popeye:
I think the only reason it was essential that Locke's body be returned to the island was specifically to allow Esau (??) to hoodwink people and gain access to Jacob.

It seems that "Ben must kill his father" and "Locke must kill his father" wasn't the test we thought it was. It appears that Esau cannot kill someone directly. So if Ben could kill his father then it is really Ben. And if Locke killed his father then it is really Locke. But of course, Locke did not kill his father, Sawyer did it for him so does that mean that was Esau as Locke way back then?

IDK, the more they explain, the less it makes sense to me.
"Esau" wants to kill Jacob but can't.
Jacob is able to travel off the island & make contact with our Losties - presumably knowing that decades later, he will collect them on his island.
"Esau" can shapeshift - it appears that he has been Alex, Christian & Locke. Is he also Smokey, Abbadon & Yemi, Charlie & Ana Lucia? Then who is Claire? We saw her with Christian, so she's a ghost herself?
"Esau" was able to convince Ben to kill Jacob. Why couldn't he convince anyone else in all the previous decades? Why was Ben able to kill Jacob so easily? Why didn't Jacob suspect anything?

Hurling:
I'm troubled by Ben killing Jacob too. Throughout the ages, Ben was the only one Esau was able to manipulate into murdering Jacob?That seems unlikely.

I'm grasping at straws here because I like Ben and I don't like seeing him reduced to puppet status....but I wonder if Ben is not being duped; he is doing exactly what Jacob wants him to do.

I wonder if Jacob is like the Dread Pirate Robert? Or if Jacob's death will make him more powerful?

It's hard to believe that Ben, who has been a faithful servant, suddenly betrays Jacob. I don't care that Alex told him to do what Locke tells him to do...but as I said, I know I'm grasping at straws.

quote:

Originally posted by undaunted:
I wonder if Jacob is like the Dread Pirate Robert? Or if Jacob's death will make him more powerful?

ROTFL!
Esau: Now I'm Jacob! And [to Ben] I'll most likely kill you in the morning.


Maybe Ben decided he didn't like not being able to meet Jacob all those years, and if he could kill him, something good might happen. Since he got cancer & the island didn't favor him anymore, maybe he thought a power shift was in order.