Mac is away again. Long-time poster vacc has done the recap.

http://www.filmfodder.com/tv/lost/archives/004947.shtml

I was pretty happy with the smoke monster & Danielle details. And the old ploy of opening still more questions - What's the temple for? Who built it? Why does it need a security system?
Is it the temple that was mentioned before, I think Alpert was taking the Others there?

Charlotte remembered seeing Daniel, but he didn't remember warning her. So it'll be later in the season when he'll travel back in time to warn her. Maybe it's the same time-frame as when we saw him excavating.

Eloise is going to send them back without having the whole O6. I guess it will be the series finale when we find out which faction wants everyone to return, and which faction is warning them to stay away. Which ones are the good guys, or are they both bad? I'm tending to think they should stay away, and have to sacrifice everyone who didn't escape.

It's weird that Kate refers to Aaron as "my son" in front of Losties.

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Originally posted by hurling:It's weird that Kate refers to Aaron as "my son" in front of Losties.

That I don't think is weird at all. I'm sure that having spent the last three years raising him, she thinks of him as her son. He certainly considers her his mom.

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Originally posted by gnomon:

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Originally posted by hurling:It's weird that Kate refers to Aaron as "my son" in front of Losties.

That I don't think is weird at all. I'm sure that having spent the last three years raising him, she thinks of him as her son. He certainly considers her his mom.

I agree; seems normal to me.

Christian tells Locke: Don't trust Ben. But Christian is also telling Locke to do precisely the same thing that Ben is telling Locke to do. If Ben & Christian are on opposing sides, why are they both trying to do the exact same thing...get the 6 back to the island, using the exact same method...Eloise Hawking.

I do not trust Christian. I don't think he is "Jacob".

I think Locke is more used than "chosen"; used specifically because he is easily manipulated.

Who is Christian's son? Leaving it hanging like that seems terribly anti-climatic if the son he was speaking of is Jack.

If Mr. Rousseau says the smoke monster is a security device...I don't believe it. It killed Nadine, snatched Montand ripping his body from his arm, and yet Mr Rousseau goes into the hole and comes back out OK with Smokey but prepared to shoot his pregnant wife! It was like...Come to ze dark side Danielle, we have cookies.

I loved Ben scolding Jack & Sun!

Was Ben surprised that Eloise is Faraday's mother or was he surprised that Desmond knew that Eloise is Faraday's mother? I'm not sure and I don't have tivo so I can't rewatch it.

I think it's safe to say that was not Montand yelling for help from Smokey's lair. So, I'm wondering if the call for help from the hole, which was a bit less than one would expect from someone who just had his arm ripped off, is an indication of: 1.Smokey had no idea Montand's arm was ripped off or 2.Smokey knew Montand's arm was ripped off but has no sense of what that means.
What does it tell us about the nature of Smokey? It reminded me of a sociopath who cries without tears over the death of their child and has no sense of how obviously fake it is to non-sociopaths.

Re: Rousseau and her lack of memory of Jin.... I don't know that I believe she didn't remember Jin. She might have been crazy, but Danielle was not stupid.
Jin vanished into thin air right before her eyes. Danielle was not a trusting person and she was more than a little cautious. Clearly, Jin did not recognize her back in whatever season he met her. So it might be that Danielle was observing, fully aware of who he was.

I don't have time to watch the one with Sayid meeting Rousseau, but didn't Rousseau say the sickness came the first day they went to the black rock??

If someone can remember that, thanks.

I don't think we are through with Rousseau, how they took Alex (who either they listened to her say the name or it is some cloth stitched) should come too.

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I don't have time to watch the one with Sayid meeting Rousseau, but didn't Rousseau say the sickness came the first day they went to the black rock??

If someone can remember that, thanks.

I've been wondering the details there, too. Could someone post a recap for those of us who don't own the DVDs? Also, when did Jin meet Rousseau? Did she seem to know him?

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Who is Christian's son? Leaving it hanging like that seems terribly anti-climatic if the son he was speaking of is Jack.

I assume he did mean Jack. Remember that Locke doesn't know this is Christian Shepherd.

So are we all assuming that somehow Christian IS Jacob? When Locke returned from the shack the last time, he told Ben that Jacob had told him to move the island. He didn't say it came from the guy hanging out with Claire.

Dauntless, you said a bunch in there.

Stock and Dauntless, my belief is that Danielle didn't recognize Jin because she has gone a bit mad herself. That was indicated on the beach when hse just decided to start blasting away at him. After so many years alone on the island, those few moments of being with Jin would be inconsequential. I have tried to picture people who I came into casual contact with a few weeks ago, let alone 17 years, and cannot picture them clearly. So I am okay with her not recognizing Jin.

I do wonder if the temple is the "they went to the temple" from Ben, seasons ago. After all, how many temples can we assume are on the island? Has anyone seem any significance in the carved symbols? If that is the same temple that the Others went to, how would they be protected from Smokie?

I don't believe that Smokie is a temple guard. After all, the Smokie hole (the chimney?) doesn't look planned or a part of the temple as if it had been purposefully placed. We know Smokie can do some ground stuff, pulling people into holes and all.

Certainly Smokie was imitating the voice in the hole. Nobody with an arm freshly ripped off would be so calm. And Smokie was also in command at the beach, ready to shoot Danielle. But why? The real person must have actually gone mad. Smokie doesn't need to inhabit a person to kill. Smokie can kill all by herself, thank you. Unless Smokie is trying to learn what it is to be human.

The Smokie sociopath comment is appropriate. OR! Smokie is socially inept and uneducated. He/she/it (almost certainly a she - probably one who didn't get a Val. Day card) simply doesn't know what makes humans tick. It's interesting that is a trait often associated with attempts at computer (machine) intelligence. You can teach decision-making but it is much more difficult to program a soul, good or evil.

When Danielle talks about "crazy" after the black rock, could she have been talking about one of the rocks around the chimney (Smokie hole) and not the ship? And when will the ship come back into play? And have we all forgotten about the radio tower?

My belief is that all of the six will go back to the island. The "gathering" is not done yet. After all, NO WAY are the writers going to lose the opportunity to reunited Kate and Sawyer. The entire fight on the pier between she and Jack was an obvious prelude to that. And the entire dialog between Jin and John at the well, as well as Charlotte's pleas just before death, were a set-up for a conflict between Jin and John when Sun returns to the island.

What about the rope-a-dope scene? Talk about more flimsy what time travels and what doesn't scenes! The well disappears without a trace but the rope remains. Cheesy.

And now we know that the time shifts are due to the donkey wheel being off centered. Right? How did that happen? Ben could barely move it. He certainly didn't knock it off kilter. How did the well hole close up with no evidence, not even a rock from the well wall?

Is it a given that Jack is Christian's son? Who the heck knows? I am hoping for some other connection, like that he is really Locke's dad, or Desmond's, maybe.

Now that we are all wrapped up i time travel, I am reknewing my lobby to return Ana Lucia to the show. Danielle isn't the same young and now Charlotte is dead. Juliet just, for some reason, doesn't do it.

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Originally posted by Stock:
I don't have time to watch the one with Sayid meeting Rousseau, but didn't Rousseau say the sickness came the first day they went to the black rock??

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Originally posted by undaunted:
Christian tells Locke: Don't trust Ben. But Christian is also telling Locke to do precisely the same thing that Ben is telling Locke to do. If Ben & Christian are on opposing sides, why are they both trying to do the exact same thing...get the 6 back to the island, using the exact same method...Eloise Hawking.

I do not trust Christian. I don't think he is "Jacob".

I think Locke is more used than "chosen"; used specifically because he is easily manipulated.

Who is Christian's son? Leaving it hanging like that seems terribly anti-climatic if the son he was speaking of is Jack.

If Mr. Rousseau says the smoke monster is a security device...I don't believe it. It killed Nadine, snatched Montand ripping his body from his arm, and yet Mr Rousseau goes into the hole and comes back out OK with Smokey but prepared to shoot his pregnant wife! It was like...Come to ze dark side Danielle, we have cookies.

I loved Ben scolding Jack & Sun!

Was Ben surprised that Eloise is Faraday's mother or was he surprised that Desmond knew that Eloise is Faraday's mother? I'm not sure and I don't have tivo so I can't rewatch it.

I think it's safe to say that was not Montand yelling for help from Smokey's lair. So, I'm wondering if the call for help from the hole, which was a bit less than one would expect from someone who just had his arm ripped off, is an indication of: 1.Smokey had no idea Montand's arm was ripped off or 2.Smokey knew Montand's arm was ripped off but has no sense of what that means.
What does it tell us about the nature of Smokey? It reminded me of a sociopath who cries without tears over the death of their child and has no sense of how obviously fake it is to non-sociopaths.

Re: Rousseau and her lack of memory of Jin.... I don't know that I believe she didn't remember Jin. She might have been crazy, but Danielle was not stupid.
Jin vanished into thin air right before her eyes. Danielle was not a trusting person and she was more than a little cautious. Clearly, Jin did not recognize her back in whatever season he met her. So it might be that Danielle was observing, fully aware of who he was.

not only do I think Christian is not Jacob, I think he is the anti-Jacob

Christian tells Locke, Don't trust Ben. But I think Christian was attributing his own motives to Ben. It is counter productive to tell Locke not to trust Ben who knows where hawking is and is also trying to do the same thing Christian is telling Locke to do. They should work together to accomplish the task but Christian is trying to prevent Locke's cooperation with Ben off island.

The only difference is that Christian is insistent that Ben do things himself which requires Locke to go off island, whereas Ben is doing everything in his power to keep (get) Locke on the island: Christian told Locke he was supposed to turn the FDW himself the first time, which would have resulted in Locke going off island...Ben turned it for Locke, keeping Locke on island. Now Ben is working tirelessly to bring Locke's body back to the island while Christian has convinced Locke to turn the UFDW which will take Locke off island.

I'm thinking Richard totally blew it way back, when he tested Little Locke by asking him to identify the objects which belonged to him. He rejected Locke because Locke didn't choose the compass. But now we know that the compass never belonged to Locke so he was correct not to identify it as being his. Had Richard been aware the compass was not Locke's, Locke might have ended up on the island as a child.

Locke is supposed to be on the island.

It appears that Richard & Ben are working together. Christian is opposing them.

And another thing about Christian: The psychic tells Claire she must raise her own child right up until he makes a sudden and inexplicable 180 and tells her he has a couple in LA who will adopt the baby. Claire has her child,is raising him herself when what happens? Christian comes along and separates her from Aaron. Setting up Aaron to be raised by someone other than Claire.

Christian wanders around, showing himself to Jack, inviting Claire for tea and crumpets...he is not the same guy who plaintively beseeched Locke to help him.

Jacob is imprisoned. He's been contained somehow. Is LOST about breaking Jacob out of prison?

The smoke monster reminds me more and more of HAL from Space Odyssey... Intelligence without savvy or conscience. When "Montand" shouts for help the tone of his voice is inappropriate for a man who just had his arm ripped from his body while being dragged into a hole by a smoke monster. That's because Smokey doesn't have the capacity for emotion, compassion, empathy. Smokey only knows that under these circumstances, a person would call for help.

Yeah. It's Jacob's team: Ben,Richard, the Others vs Widmore's team: Abbadon, the Army of Darkness that killed Alex, and I suspect Sun's father is on Widmore's team as well.

And since both sides are struggling to recruit Locke, he has to be pivotal to their cause. Same with Aaron... both sides are struggling to gain control of who has Aaron.

Why it is essential to have all 6 of the off island people back...I don't know. Unless it is that some sort of orchestrated leap in time is going to be done and all 6 have to be there to leap to the same time/place at the same time.

I wonder if Ben was telling the truth, once you turn the DW, you can't return to the island? That makes me wonder if Widmore turned it at some point and Widmore can't return to the island. And that makes me wonder if the only way a person who turned the wheel can get back to the island is if he is dead (Locke). Is Ben going to "die" just prior to the trip back to the island? Or is Ben not going back to the island at all. Did Christian turn the DW at some point?

Christian is Jack's and Claire's father, Aaron's grandfather. Who else is related to Christian? Will Christian end up being Locke's brother?

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Remember, though, Locke didn't really "turn" the DW. He just gave it "a little push" or pull as it were.