First they kill Ana Lucia. That HURT!

Now they kill Danielle. There is no justice. Is there no depth to which these people (the writers) will go to hurt me and cause me pain and suffering?

Why even watch anymore?


So, my real question is how the Others can get on and off the island so easily? Is there an airfield on one of the other adjacent islands?

Other than that there wasn't much of anything special in the episode that I noticed.

Even the reality of Widmore's role could be false.

And who killed Karl and Danielle? The likely suspects are the Others who only want Alex and no others at the Tabernacle. But silencers now?

And talk about anti-climactic. Walt is just hanging out at home with his granny. While his dad goes out of his way to ????? Kill more people - albeit a different group of more people. Jeez

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Originally posted by pagecarl:
Now they kill Danielle. Thee is no justice. Is there no depth to which these people (the writers) will go to hurt me and cause me pain and suffering?

As soon as I saw Danielle go down, I thought of you, pagecarl. My sympathies on your loss.

So did Ben deliberately send Alex, Karl, & Danielle out to an ambush so he could detach Alex from her new "family"?

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Originally posted by pagecarl:
Now they kill Danielle. Thee is no justice. Is there no depth to which these people (the writers) will go to hurt me and cause me pain and suffering?

As soon as I saw Danielle go down, I thought of you, pagecarl. My sympathies on your loss.

So did Ben deliberately send Alex, Karl, & Danielle out to an ambush so he could detach Alex from her new "family"?

Thank you for you sympathy. I may resign from this site and anything to do with Lost.

And yes, Ben absolutely did send Alex out to get everyone else killed. They must have been nearing the Tabernacle where to remainder of the Others had orders to kill anyone

except .................

Unless, of course, we are being prepared for yet another twist with a new group in contention. Could the previous helicopter flight have delivered the "mercenary types" we saw on the boat taking target practice onto the island? They looked more likely to have silenced rifles.

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PC, I am so sorry. My heartfelt condolences for your loss.

I have no doubt that Ben's intent was to murder Alex's beloved and your beloved.

But I am not yet entirely convinced Danielle is dead because her death is not befitting her mettle. But then, that's what made it so startling.

TPTB said "someone will die". Shot-through-the- heart Karl fills that bill.

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I'm not sure Ben knew of the ambush. My first thought was of the mercenaries from the freighter killing the two and keeping lovely Alex as a bargaining chip with Ben...but the silencers have thrown me off a bit. Our happy trap-shooters seem to have an affinity for chaotic death via machine gun than for the more subtle art of silenced weapons.

I don't think Danielle is dead, there was no focused bloody hole like all the other deaths on the show.

I am still crossing my fingers for the long overdue Danielle's boat flashback.

Alex sure became her father's daughter, "Hey don't shoot I'm valuable". Her boyfriend and mother were just killed and she's immediately out for her own survival.She might turn out to be more interesting than she has been made out to be.

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Originally posted by Alaïs_Longthought:

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Originally posted by pagecarl:
Now they kill Danielle. Thee is no justice. Is there no depth to which these people (the writers) will go to hurt me and cause me pain and suffering?

As soon as I saw Danielle go down, I thought of you, pagecarl. My sympathies on your loss.

Me too Pagecarl. I never saw that coming. I like her too...uh, but not the same way you do )...she has too much story to tell yet. Maybe she won't really be dead.

Scenario:

Location: Conference room at ABC.

Present: ABC executives, LOST PTB.

Executive: Damon, Carlton, you're way over budget. You need to make some staffing cuts.

LOST PTB: But we've got active storylines running on all of our characters...

Executive: I don't care how you do it, just do it! And make sure you break pagecarl's heart in the process!

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Originally posted by Alaïs_Longthought:
Scenario:

Location: Conference room at ABC.

Present: ABC executives, LOST PTB.

Executive: Damon, Carlton, you're way over budget. You need to make some staffing cuts.

LOST PTB: But we've got active storylines running on all of our characters...

Executive: I don't care how you do it, just do it! And make sure you break pagecarl's heart in the process!

That's okay, Alais, I have kinda' been in the midst of the heartbreak thing lately. They can just add it to the list. What confused me was that I didn't actually believe that it REALLY IS about me. Who could have guessed?

And, for the first time ever I scanned through some other Lost sites. The general feeling is that Danielle isn't really dead. Hope springs eternal.

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That's okay, Alais, I have kinda' been in the midst of the heartbreak thing lately. They can just add it to the list. What confused me was that I didn't actually believe that it REALLY IS about me. Who could have guessed?

And, for the first time ever I scanned through some other Lost sites. The general feeling is that Danielle isn't really dead. Hope springs eternal.

pagecarl, I'm sorry to hear that you're in Heartbreak Hotel.

Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you, right? (Is that how the saying goes?)

There does seem to be a large consensus that Danielle is not dead. After all, if Naomi can be speared w/a tree branch & recover, why not Danielle? Granted Mikhail was there to treat Naomi, but Danielle has to have acquired some medical skills herself (or possibly have possessed them prior to wrecking on the island). Or whoever did the ambush might take Danielle away but keep her prisoner. If it was Ben behind the ambush, he might have ordered that—Karl should be killed because he wasn't innocent (he had his hands on my daughter!), but Danielle was innocent but dangerous to Ben & needed to be neutralized. After all, we all know that Ben doesn't kill innocent people...

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And who killed Karl and Danielle? The likely suspects are the Others who only want Alex and no others at the Tabernacle. But silencers now?

First of all, our local station had audio trouble with the feed from ABC - thankfully I was taping the show and was able to watch it later with the closed captions on. So, I am at a bit of a disadvantage in that I only watched (and read) the episode, but did not hear any dialogue past the point when Michael was in the hospital.

My guess as to the attackers was a strike team from the freighter; the helicopter did disappear for a time and they would not tell Sayid and Desmond where it was going. The island is the only place it could have visited, and what other reason would they have had to send the copter to the island?

The silencers would fit in this scenario, and I think the freighter team was using some version of the H&K MP5 - which is one of the weapons of choice for tactical teams. How the team came to be in that spot at that time is open for debate. Do they know a rough location for the "Temple"? Were they inserted into the highlands of the island and are working their way towards Bennsylvania to capture Ben?

And I, too, believe that the lovely Danielle is not quite dead.

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First of all, our local station had audio trouble with the feed from ABC - thankfully I was taping the show and was able to watch it later with the closed captions on. So, I am at a bit of a disadvantage in that I only watched (and read) the episode, but did not hear any dialogue past the point when Michael was in the hospital.

If you go to abc.com you can watch the episode for free online.

I hope Danielle isn't dead. She was such a survivor! It would be lame if they killed her off that way.

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Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you, right? (Is that how the saying goes?)

So very close Alais! "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

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First of all, our local station had audio trouble with the feed from ABC - thankfully I was taping the show and was able to watch it later with the closed captions on. So, I am at a bit of a disadvantage in that I only watched (and read) the episode, but did not hear any dialogue past the point when Michael was in the hospital.

If you go to abc.com you can watch the episode for free online.

I hope Danielle isn't dead. She was such a survivor! It would be lame if they killed her off that way.

Um, yeah, and we all thought Dumbledore wasn't dead either. I vote dead, which disappoints me because she was so interesting. But it was stupid of her to get up to run. I expected her to try to shoot the snipers.

I just wanted to say that I too am very sorry for the loss of Danielle - at the moment, but she's bound to be back. Pagecarl - don't give up on all things 'Lost' quite yet. I've still got this horrid feeling that if 'we' stop watching, then ABC will axe the show before it ends. I would rather have a complete show with a (perhaps) crap ending, than an incopmplete show. And whetever the shows producers say about how popular the Lost is, we all secretly know that its not really that popular anymore! Most people I know have given up on it by now.

Oh Pagecarl I too thought of you when Danielle bought it! Having read all your posts last season I knew your reaction was going to be the same as mine. I don't know how many times I screamed NO at the TV but it was a lot.

My only hope is that Danielle may survive, perhaps she has a missing/stolen organ too like the fortunate Mr. Locke!

Initially I thought ole bug eye himself was the culprit but now I'm not so sure. I'm thinking more along the lines of freighter folk now. Prior to the heartbreaking scenes ( well heartbreaking for you and I anyway), I was loving this episode, poor Michael (didn't think I would ever say that after watching him sail away at the end of season two!), the suicide failures must have been stressful to say the least, then the bomb ( which I feel should have had a label reading ACME on it), failing to blow would be enough to send anyone over the side wrapped in chains, then to have the irony of future bug eye cohort Sayid, turn him in to the Captain, well my sympathies were with him.
Alas the many OOs and Ahhs I had expressed throughout did not prepare me for the worst.
Hang in there PC and I will try to do the same. Maybe there is hope, and we will see our beloved Danielle again. I'm sure I read somewhere that there is a Danielle flashback promised for season 5.
All the best for your recovery PC. yours in total empathy Sal

Yes, as much as I uncontrollably drool and make a mess of myself every time Danielle is in a scene (I am VERY easy to please), the truth is that aside from Ben, she has the most interesting back story of all major characters on Lost. We have seem some of Ben's story but have no clues about Danielle other than some initial hints very early on. The woman survived on the island for a long time along with Smokie and the others. She has many secrets and might not even know what those secrets are in relation to the Losties.

No, I think her loss would be a shame. I also am about 50-50 that she is not dead.

I am also convinced that the mercenaries from the ship did the deed, not the others from the tabernacle.

But really, if Danielle IS gone, what other women remain who are the least bit interesting? Heck, they have left all sorts of men but killed off all of the women. I'm thinking the writers might have some unresolved sexuality issues. (That was a joke - don't flame me - too hard, anyway )


And yes, the bomb. The absolute only thing better would have been if the note said "BANG" with a big, yellow smiley face.

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But really, if Danielle IS gone, what other women remain who are the least bit interesting? Heck, they have left all sorts of men but killed off all of the women. I'm thinking the writers might have some unresolved sexuality issues. (That was a joke - don't flame me - too hard, anyway )

You're not the first one to notice that - remember the theories about single women on the island who have sex having to die? It's a problem in the majority of movies & TV shows. Probably a reflection of real life, which makes me bitterly sad. How many women bother to make themselves interesting, strong, funny, brilliant, famous? You can think of many examples, can't you? But then compare that to the number of men who do the same thing - without hardly thinking about it.

Compare Kate & Sawyer - both "bad guys" - She gets arrested; he's running free.
Juliet & Jack - both doctors - He's top in his field, a miracle worker; she was trapped by her husband, now trapped by another lunatic - she solved her sister's fertility problem, now where is she to accept the kudos?

Muppets, Monty Python - where are the females?

One of my favorite movies is True Lies. Jamie Lee Curtis got to be strong, smart, learn fast, and change her life positively. Even the daughter was strong at the end, stealing the key & hanging onto the Harrier. Although it had to be Schwarzenegger making the movie in the first place.

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Originally posted by pagecarl:
But really, if Danielle IS gone, what other women remain who are the least bit interesting? Heck, they have left all sorts of men but killed off all of the women. I'm thinking the writers might have some unresolved sexuality issues. (That was a joke - don't flame me - too hard, anyway )

You're not the first one to notice that - remember the theories about single women on the island who have sex having to die? It's a problem in the majority of movies & TV shows. Probably a reflection of real life, which makes me bitterly sad. How many women bother to make themselves interesting, strong, funny, brilliant, famous? You can think of many examples, can't you? But then compare that to the number of men who do the same thing - without hardly thinking about it.

Compare Kate & Sawyer - both "bad guys" - She gets arrested; he's running free.
Juliet & Jack - both doctors - He's top in his field, a miracle worker; she was trapped by her husband, now trapped by another lunatic - she solved her sister's fertility problem, now where is she to accept the kudos?

Muppets, Monty Python - where are the females?

Miss Piggy...but she's not exactly a role model.

There are a lot of deep-seated societal prejudices against strong, independent women. They may be less visible than they were a century ago, when in many stories women who were strong & independent came a cropper, often through some injury that caused paralysis caused by them doing some activity that wasn't considered "lady-like," & thus their fate was considered to be deserved. But even today the prejudice remains. While I don't want to start a political debate here, look at Hillary Clinton. You'd never find anyone yelling at a male candidate "Iron my shirts!" or manufacturers making nutcrackers in the image of a male candidate. Or what about the "excellent question" that someone at a McCain rally asked: "How do we beat the b*tch?" As several columnists have pointed out, substitute any derogatory term for an African-American, Hispanic, Jewish, or any other "group" that you can think of for "b*tch" & McCain would have been reamed a new one. While Virginia Slims may say that we've come a long way, baby, we've still got a long way to go.

So Alais, since we have no show to talk about I thought I would contribute to the hijack by you and Hurling.

I am going to only slightly disagree with you as a point of order. It seems that mean-spirited and weak minded people are often universal in their contempt for "different" and their methods of expressing their contempt.

The same people who use the b**ch word often use the n word, attack various religions and sexual orientations. Yes, because the elections currently hold a national stage, the Hillary barbs are especially obvious. I do not think they are expressed because strong women in particular are targets. I think it is because she is simply available.

Many other groups take equal heat at different times. Whites and the Jewish took a hit at the hands of Obama's pastor.

So I guess that it is difficult for me to see that strong women, or women in general, have a lock on ridicule. Idiots seem to spread their vitrol around.

Now in my case, I find Hillary distasteful for a variety of factors, both political, personal and historical. None have anything to do with the concept of b**ch. Carrying the thought forward, I find a wide range of male politicians equally distasteful, or more so, for the exact same reasons.