Happy Season Five!

The latest edition of Key Points is now available:

Key Points from "Because You Left" and "The Lie"

"...that dangle in the winds of time." ! I have missed you Fearless Leader.

I think Mrs. Reyes will keep Hugo's secret because no matter how preposterous his story,she knows he is not a liar. She will also ferociously protect her cub.

Who was in bed with Sun? Was that Marvin Candle? Did I blink and miss his face?
EDIT: hmmmmm...it appears I missed something pretty big! That wasn't Sun? So it was Dr.Chang
we saw with the baby? I wonder why didn't they show his face?

I agree....Ben is the one who got the court order for the blood test for Kate and Aaron specifically to force her to run back to the island.

Hugo turning himself into the authorities....that was a surprise! Mrs. Reyes will rescue him.

Why can't the island be seen? I don't get it.

I have to go to work. Be back later; I look forward to all the astute observations from y'all.

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trustno1... It's been way too long. I'm surprised I even remembered my password for this forum!

Short yet sweet review, excellent job as always.

I have a few questions/points to make off the top of my head from watching last night:

-Assuming Locke and the other Lostees "jumped" through time together... wasn't the Nigerian drug plane destroyed (by burning) way before the Swan hatch imploded?

-There's a (very) interesting theory floating around the boards of another Lost forum that states Locke is not dead, instead he was just bitten by one of those spiders that knocked out Nikki and Paoulo in "Expose" (the show we saw Hugo's dad watching in the premiere!) This might explain why Ben only has 70-sum hours to accomplish his task, because then Locke will wake up and the others won't go back? Wait that doesn't make sense... Well, discuss!

Glad to be back

OK, the blog had this too, Asian girl, has to be Sun. I never thought this for a moment that it was her, to me didn't look anything like her.

Agree that Ben is a good choice to order blood test.

Plane was after second time (that we saw) time jumped and before (well, and after) we saw hatch. But Sawyer's walk to the back door keeps me annoyed with actual distance in the series. The hatch seems closer to the bench every year. The speed they move around the island is wild. It has to be much smaller than it looks.

Who moves through time is a tough question, Richard seems to say that Locke is moving but his group is on the linear timeline. If they are connected to the island, Cindy, the kids are not. Where are they?

After Ben's non-answer to the doc about Locke being dead (I don't know where Jack was coming from with that question), I an not sure he is dead.

I still think that the troops were Aussies. Can't be Rouseau's group(that spelt correctly??) cause of "our" island comments.

Great show. Unlike season three, we are getting some place.

Just some random thoughts:

I was left lukewarm by both these episodes. welh #101 (over in the Review thread) articulated many of the problems I found—just too much doesn't make real-world sense, never mind scientific sense. Then again, my head is already spinning (although fortunately my nose is not bleeding) from classes starting this month, so perhaps I just missed a lot. And I missed the first three minutes, so therefore I missed the entire Dr. Chang homelife story, which appears from all of the commentary to be quite significant.

Did anyone else think that the guy who was in charge of digging & who talked to Dr. Chang was an all-in-one-piece Dr. Arzt? It's not, but the similarity was striking.

I seriously doubt that the two guys who visited Kate are really lawyers. Whoever hired them knew just how to push Kate's buttons.

Richard was obviously very unhappy that Locke selected the knife. Could Locke's selection of the knife rather than the compass tell Richard that Locke has not learned his lesson, so to speak? Or hasn't had a memory activated, or something like that?

One of the things that has been repeatedly stressed is that time/the future cannot be changed. But there are certainly plenty of books/movies about people changing the future by changing the past...

Re Ji Yeon's picture & Sun: A reason why Sun shows Kate only a picture of Ji Yeon as a baby could be that Sun is afraid of someone trying to kidnap Ji Yeon & use her as leverage over Sun. She (Sun) could be trying to protect Ji Yeon by not showing anyone a current picture.

Trust among the O6 seems to be pretty minimal. Thus, it seems to me to be at least reasonably likely that Sun would not trust Kate enough to show her a current picture of Ji Yeon.

It also seems to be at least reasonably likely that Sun blames Jack & Kate for Jin's death. I know we've speculated that it's Ben &/or Widmore (which, just as an aside, is spelled Whidmore in the most recent issue of TV Guide—the one w/Evangeline Lilly on the cover) that Sun blames, & in her conversations w/Widmore, Sun has blamed Ben, but as someone above pointed out, Sun doesn't know that it was Ben's actions which caused Keany to blow up the freighter. It seems logical that Sun is using Widmore for her own ends & is gaining at least a modicum of his trust by saying she wants to "get" Ben as much as he (Charles) does.

Re the people who wanted to know what made Sayid work for Ben & then stop working for Ben: Ben recruited Sayid by telling him that he (Sayid) could get revenge for Nadia's murder by working for him (Ben). My guess is that at some point Sayid realized that that was not the case & turned on Ben.

Re the Foucoult pendulum: I agree w/Clementine (from the Review thread) on the lack of usefulness of the pendulum in locating the island. And as another LOST watcher pointed out, why does the pendulum have to scratch a trail into the marble surface? And why the druidic robe? That entire scene seemed to me to be nothing more than a "dramatic" effect, à la The Da Vinci Code.

Does anyone else think that Mrs. Hawking resembles Isabel, the long-gone sheriff of New Otherton?

I don't think we ever saw the bridge of the Black Rock, did we? Is its steering wheel still there? Or was it removed from the ship & became the Frozen Donkey Wheel?

A really far-out idea, sparked by ealgumby's idea of two waves at 90 degrees to each other (from the Review thread), & Daniel's description of the island as a record, & the old Star Trek episode of alternate realities: Suppose there are two realities, shaped like records, spinning at 90 degrees to each other. The time skips occur when the same character(s) "catch" each other as the records goes 'round, &/or the whispers are heard as characters from one record turn through a place where characters in the other reality are.

When Rose responded to Bernard that she had been "in the church," my first thought was that she had skipped through time & for a split second was in her own church back home.

I'm still not happy w/the inconsistencies in what objects go w/which characters when/where. For example, why would the Zodiac stay but not the camp? Surely at least some of the Losties were in the camp when Ben turned the FDW.

Is there a connection between the Arrow station & its purpose of defense & the flaming arrows that peppered the beach? And did anyone else think that the jungle was a lot farther away than as seen in the past as the Losties fled the arrow attack?

Why does Dr. Chang use a totally different name(s) in the orientation videos?

Guess I've procrastinated long enough...time for homework!

I keep reading in various places that people think Mrs. Hawking is going to turn out to be Daniel's mother. Hmm...

That was definitely NOT Sun in bed with Chang at the beginning.

Anyone ever read "Valis" by Philip K. Dick? It was featured in an episode last season. I'm almost halfway through it and I'm glad I started reading it now because there seem to be so many parallels to some of the themes in the show!

I loved the first episode! The second one felt like a slow-down, mostly because of Hurley with his parents. My question now is, since Carmen knows the truth, will she ever be in danger because of it?

Questions:

- When Ben told Jack to grab whatever he needed or wanted to keep "...because you can never come back" (or something to that effect) could he have meant to that particular time?

- At first I thought Ben was behind the 'lawyers' showing up at Kate's door to scare her into wanting to return to the island (as mentioned in Key Points) but Sun later says they weren't there to try to expose the lie, they actually wanted Aaron.

- Wasn't Locke with Richard and other Others when the island first moved? We know Richard stayed put but the rest must not have moved either. Only Locke.

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