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Key Points from "Cabin Fever"

A moving island ... well, that certainly mixes things up.

Another great recap...a 'moving island'...sheesh. Maybe the 'perception' of where the island is, and not the actual location, can be changed through some electromagnetic hocus-pocus. BTW, the anagram solver tells me 'Mittelos' is 'Lost time'...

The test Richard gave to young Locke (choosing items that belong to him) is the same test used by Tibetan monks when searching for the reincarnation of the Dali Lama.

Thanks Mac. GRAA!

Having speculated on this show for a couple of years, I finally hit one square on the nose!

Yesterday I said:
"I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Aaron & Jacob are connected in some profound way. Maybe Aaron is like the child who will become the next Dalai Lama; people have been looking for him . . . and he fell into their laps."
That is 1 out of 682! I'm on a roll now Baby.

A moving island. Hmmmm. That was suggested way back when. I am certain of that because I distinctly recall dismissing the idea with a condescending "P-tooey".

Shortly after the last eisode I wondered if Christian had his white shoes on when he was with Claire because I was thinking if Christian wasn't wearing them, it isn't the same Christian who visits Jack. Someone in the other room (that's down the hall from Mac's review) said Christian was NOT wearing his suit or his white shoes...so, I dunno. I do not know. But it's pertinent.

Interesting how Horace was on a loop..."Hello!" Same tree is felled several times. Thank goodness he isn't really deadly alive.

Keamy is a bad man.
Lapidus is a good man. He tells Michael something like, "I am the only person in the world who thinks that 815 wreckage is fake." Which brings me back to what I consider to be the biggest, most confounding mystery thus far on this show: Why would the world believe that plane fell into the sea 4000 miles in the opposite direction of it's flight plan? And how is it explained that the plane is whole and sitting at the bottom of a deep sea trench with its passengers still strapped in their seats?


Gotta run....I have to go to a job interview. Please send "hire the tall broad" vibes. Thanks.

Is Claire dead? She was way too hunky-dory in the cabin.

Is it weird to be totally unconcerned that bad things will befall the island or its residents? I feel all "the Island will kick mercenary ass" about it.

Ben isn't done; he's just sitting on the chess board waiting for the right move.

WARNING. Directionless meanderings of the mind follow

I do believe the island will move in time, not in space. The real question is whether the island actually exists in space as we know it. How will that help now that the killers are already on the island?

There seem to be no end of connections being formed on the island. In the end it is possible that vrtually everyone who is anyone will have a relation on the island. Clair and Jack. Maybe Aaron and Jacob. How about Ben and John?

Who, WHO, was Ben's dad? That has to fit in and be a revelation.

So the island was working John for years and years? Interesting.Does this imply that the events on the island really are caused by the island and not Dharma or Ben or whoever, and that the Richard's of the world are essentially servants to the island's will?

Who sunk the plane in the ocean? It might be that Widmore didn't. Who else? Does it actually matter at this point? When the Oceanic 6 are rescued, will someone ask the obvious question or is that a point that will just fade into oblivion?

How do the Losties end up on a C-130? It looks, based on the short preview, to be the grey of a Navy C-130. Or is that just a tease and a false lead?

It was interesting to me that while Ben seemed to back off of his role of island leader, and John took over, Hurley just stood by. Past episodes have indicted that Hurley might have more of a connection to the island than was shown on last night's episode. And when Ben admitted he was not always the leader, is that an indication that Richard might be on the rise?

Anyone want to bet that the killers are on the way to the tabernacle? Might we FINALLY see the remainder of the Others, just in time to be killed?

Just as a comment regarding inconsistancies. I live on a lake. A big, BIG lake. I do lots of boats. You cannot stuff many people in a 14-foot soft-bottom Zodiac. And such a boat is not made for open water. Think how long it took for the flight from the freighter to the island. No way is sayid going to make it there and back in that Zodiac. I am also assuming the error in the bearing was a simple miss and not intended to be significant.

Regarding the tracking device, I wonder what the intent was. Follow us? To the killing fields? Yet what other intent would someone on the ground have? I do wonder why they would have flown past the beach which was obviously well lit. My guess is that the intent is to find Ben, not the Losties. They think they know where Ben is.

Jack. Oh, Jack! Give me a break. Pardon me for expecting some degree of reality. Up and about already? PLEASE!

I still don't know what to think about Claire and Christian being in the cabin instead of Jacob. Why them? What do they have to do with the island's power?

I liked the endless loop in John's dream. The same tree was chopped down several times. Does the cabin disappear (when they couldn't find it last time) and need to be rebuilt by dead people on a regular basis?

In the end will we have an entire show based on dead people?


Good luck on the interview, Dauntless. Knock 'em dead.

"Time" and "Space" are two aspects of the same thing. When Locke said 'move the island', moving it through timespace seemed to me to be what he had to mean. Everything we've been shown in the current season says that the island exists on the other side of sime timespace horizon that puts it beyond ordinary perception and casual vectors of travel. Saving the island by moving it has to mean a great deal more than longitude and latitude shifts.

Locke episodes are so much more fun than Jack and Kate episodes. Locke is at the center of the opposing forces attempt to control the island from the moment of his birth.

Ben and Hurley's Lifesavers Moment might have been the best 30 seconds of Lost ever.

Thanks mac—great review as always!

What struck me after watching this episode was that recent events have been like the classic "15" puzzle—each week one or two more pieces have been moved into place to set up the season finale.

Random observations:

I got the impression that Emily's ice-queen mother did know Richard when she saw him through the nursery window, although not because he's Locke's biological dad...I thought Richard might have been Emily's dad who had abandoned Mrs. Locke & Emily, or perhaps Richard & "Mrs." Locke were never married themselves & Emily herself is illegitimate.

Did anyone else think that Emily didn't look pregnant at all? And why did Emily freak out & run when the nurse told her she could hold John for the first time?

Has Locke spent his life avoiding his density (pardon me, destiny)? He likes to think of himself as an outdoors guy, a sportsman, a hunter (& who was it in a past episode that told Locke he was a hunter?). But Richard Eyeliner was extremely put out when Locke chose the knife, & Locke's science teacher told him flat-out that he wasn't the sports type. Or is it that the others are trying to force Locke into the scientific cast due to their own blindness & Locke's been struggling to find his real hunter self for his whole life? (In which case it would be ironic that Anthony Cooper, the absent, deceiving, & self-centered crook of a father was the one to get Locke tuned into his inner Rambo.)

I thought the word to describe Claire in Jacob's cabin was "sultry." It would be easy to imagine her saying, à la Mae West, "Why don't you come up and see me sometime?"

Christian's suit must be at the Dharma cleaners.

Re Horace in Locke's dream: It was definitely odd how Horace started to repeat himself (Max Headroom-ish?). I wondered if Horace is caught in a time loop of repeating the same few actions & words over & over & Locke happened to drop in. And was it really a dream? We saw Locke wake up...but w/as wacky as things can be on the island it could be equally likely that Locke actually saw Horace, then returned to his sleeping spot, fell asleep again, & then awoke. (I'd wake up too if Ben was staring at me.)

Meanwhile, back at the ranch/freighter...Keamy (what a funny name; I thought it was Kearny for the longest time) is turning into The Terminator. IMHO, he looks like a character from a videogame—very flat & two-dimensional. Also, someone over in the review blog said that the device Omar strapped on Keamy was a sophisticated heart monitor. My initial thought was that it was explosives, but Keamy doesn't seem like the type of person who would sacrifice himself. Anyone else, yes, but not himself.

How many factions are on the freighter at this point? How many different motivations did each group/person have? How many people think they're working for one group/person only to find they're not?

More on who's on what side: Right now I'm inclined to think that Richard Eyeliner & Matthew Abbadon are on different sides, although I'm not sure that I'd say opposing sides because of the difficulty in figuring out just how many sides there are. Richard & Abbadon do seem to be urging Locke in different directions; Richard was unhappy that Locke picked up the knife while Abbadon made a point of telling Locke that on a walkabout you have nothing but a knife (& your wits).

As far as the heading Sayid was told to follow to get back to the island...maybe the freighter's drifting around the island? Maybe the island is turning in a circle? Maybe the compass heading is only needed to get into the wormhole?

Re the book in Richard's grab bag of objects: I couldn't read what the bottom word on the book's cover was, but I kept thinking it was "Kells" due to the ornate design on the cover. But "Kells" wouldn't make any sense out in the South Pacific...

Re Ben & Hurley's sharing a snack: I loved that scene too. It would even make a great commercial for an Apollo bar.

How the O6 get off the island: I think the Zodiac boat is just to get Sayid back on the island to be part of the showdown. We also now have Frank & his helicopter on the island, which would be a better choice for rapidly ferrying people. And it did appear that the O6 were on a giant cargo plane.

Final random thought: If Dharma/Hanso/Widmore were keeping the island a secret, why would there be a radio transmission of the numbers in plain view (so to speak)? Sam Toomey & Crazy Leonard were able to pick up the transmission whie in the military...wouldn't there be some interest by the military or amateur radio experts on what this string of repeated numbers meant & where it's coming from?

undaunted, good luck on the job interview!

Alias, I read the purpose of the device on Keamy's arm as part of a failsafe plan on the part of Widmore. Widmore knows that if Keamy dies, then hell's a-waitin for everyone nearby. I'm thinking some sort of scorched earth plan. So, the idea of it being a heart monitor is very possible. The moment it stops transmitting a heartbeat..... BOOM!

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Originally posted by LOST_MY_HEAD:
Alias, I read the purpose of the device on Keamy's arm as part of a failsafe plan on the part of Widmore. Widmore knows that if Keamy dies, then hell's a-waitin for everyone nearby. I'm thinking some sort of scorched earth plan. So, the idea of it being a heart monitor is very possible. The moment it stops transmitting a heartbeat..... BOOM!

yes, I was thinking much the same. It is on the inside of his arm where you would get a good pulse signal. But blow up what? You can't carry enough explosives on your person to damage much more than a very small area, especially in the wide open spaces of the island.

Well, the way I see it, Widmore probably has enough scratch lying around to get some pretty nasty weapons. The signal goes out... it gets recieved by someone who then signals a plane to drop said weapons on the island. And since there is a transmitter, shouldn't be as hard to find the island.

Thank you for your good thoughts. The interview went very well; they told me they wish they could clone me! But it's just a temporary position; still...a job! I'll keep you posted.

OK.LOST:

LOST MY HEAD: That's a good point! I'll bet you are correct. But then pagecarl...that's a good point too. Do you suppose Keamy and his evil minions wired the island for explosives when they were there before? Or perhaps there has always been a "fail safe" device on the island, ready to be detonated if deemed necessary.

More importantly: Ben is trying to save the island but it appears as though who ever Keamy is working for intends to destroy the island.
That really puts the battle for the island in a different light. Does Widmore (or whoever) want the island specifically so he can destroy it?

Horace: I wonder if John's dream was "broadcast" into his consciousness? The loop we witnessed indicates a haywire mechanism of some sort. On the other hand, LOST or no LOST...dreams are peculiar little things. I've certainly dreamed stranger things than looped dialog.

I have to tread lightly with this one because I fear my head might explode: It seems a bit much for them to physically move the island from it's current geographical location to another geographical location. So, it seems a move in time is what they will do. But how do they do that? Wouldn't you have to go way back or way forward to a time that the island didn't/doesn't exist? But then the island would exist in the same spot, just a different time. So some guy is rowing his boat in 1575 BC or in 3082 AA (after Aaron) and he'd still hit the island. So how the hell do you hide a bloody island when everybody who's looking for it knows it's geographic location? The only way is to physically move it. Right?

Ben is just going with the flow. He didn't look upset to me about the changing of the guard; in fact I thought he looked as mellow as I've ever seen him. He looked like he might just shrug his shoulders and say, "So it goes."

But Claire...how oddly she behaved! Like she was stoned. Too mellow. Not serene, like: I am dead; it is as it is. You are right Alais...Sultry is exactly the right word to describe her demeanor, as though we caught her in the immediate afterglow of an astoundingly fine orgasm.

Interesting that Locke didn't say (he might yet say it in a future episode) I didn't talk to Jacob, I talked to Christian.

I wonder if the freighter will take the O6 to Fiji and then the C-130 will transport them to the real world? That way Desmond could get off in Fiji as a crew member and find his way to Penelope without arousing suspicion. Although, why it would arouse suspicion is beyond me since he was lost at sea...why wouldn't he have survived on the same island they found the O6 on? Or maybe the freigher will take them to somewhere in the Indian Ocean, near the staged wreck and the rescue plane will pick them up there.

I'm going to beat a dead horse here: Is the explanation for OA815 in the Indian Ocean going to be it was hijacked? How is it going to be explained that the intact plane spew out 8 people before it dove gently into the sea and settled unbroken in a deep sea trench?

Or does the appearance of the O6 open an ugly can of worms about that plane at the bottom of the sea?

That's all I got.

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To be honest, my scenario was a hypothetical, the central idea of a failsafe is, I think, the only important idea to take from it. Your idea of the island always having been rigged or Keamy's men rigging it on their first island foray are also very good scenarios. Its like chess, sending in your pawns to set up mate. And since games seem to have a central theme (i.e. John and Backgammon) we must entertain the idea that everything up to now has been one grand game. Widmore goal, or conditions for victory may involve the island's capture or destruction and Ben's may involve some other location. Maybe THAT is why he spends time off island globe trotting.

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Originally posted by undaunted:
Thank you for your good thoughts. The interview went very well; they told me they wish they could clone me! But it's just a temporary position; still...a job! I'll keep you posted.

OK.LOST:

I have to tread lightly with this one because I fear my head might explode: It seems a bit much for them to physically move the island from it's current geographical location to another geographical location. So, it seems a move in time is what they will do. But how do they do that? Wouldn't you have to go way back or way forward to a time that the island didn't/doesn't exist? But then the island would exist in the same spot, just a different time. So some guy is rowing his boat in 1575 BC or in 3082 AA (after Aaron) and he'd still hit the island. So how the hell do you hide a bloody island when everybody who's looking for it knows it's geographic location? The only way is to physically move it. Right?

Ben is just going with the flow. He didn't look upset to me about the changing of the guard; in fact I thought he looked as mellow as I've ever seen him. He looked like he might just shrug his shoulders and say, "So it goes."

But Claire...how odd she behaved! Like she was stoned. Too mellow. Not serene, like: I am dead; it is as it is. You are right Alais...Sultry is exactly the right word to describe her demeanor, as though we caught her in the immediate afterglow of an astoundingly fine orgasm.

Congrats on the good interview; I was sending you strong/competent/trustworthy vibes all day.

Since no one can find the island without heading 305, moving it in space doesn't mean anything. Must be space/time. We originally thought after the hatch blew up, people would be able to find the island. But that has been proved wrong - Desmond couldn't escape, Penny still hasn't quite found them, they keep mentioning heading 305.

I thought Ben looked like he was expressing some genuine emotion, the only time we've seen it except for Alex's death. He's just not a very expressive person. That's how he controls everything anyway. It's easier to convince people to follow you when you behave calm & rational. But he accepted that's the way the island is working & is scheming to put it to his advantage.

I think Claire is definitely dead. She was killed by the head wound - we don't know exactly when, but I think she died in her sleep and that's when she "woke up" & saw Christian. All stoned jokes aside, that's the only reasonable explanation. Now here's an opportunity for her to figure out she's Jack's half-sister and tell him. Maybe in-between Kate's trial & Jack living with her. And maybe orgasms are better after death. If there is a heaven, what could be better?

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But Claire...how oddly she behaved! Like she was stoned. Too mellow. Not serene, like: I am dead; it is as it is. You are right Alais...Sultry is exactly the right word to describe her demeanor, as though we caught her in the immediate afterglow of an astoundingly fine orgasm.

Yes, exactly...but considering the only guy around is her dad, that rather grossed me out. Hopefully there's a more respectable explanation for her post-coital glow!

undaunted, you mentioned beating a dead horse, which brought to mind Kate's horse, even though he/she is in the undead category, along w/Christian & Yemi. Why are those three undead—what do they have in common? And why just those three, & not, say, Vincent?

I just stumbled upon this little tid-bit from Season 2 episode 9/ What Kate Did....

This was after Eko & John watched the Dharmite movie.

EKO: Hello. I have something I think you should see. If you don't mind, I will begin at the beginning. Long before Christ the king of Judah was a man named Josiah.

LOCKE: Boy when you say beginning, you mean beginning.

EKO: At that time the temple where the people worshipped was in ruin. And so the people worshipped idols, false gods. And so the kingdom was in disarray. Josiah, since he was a good king, sent his secretary to the treasury and said: "We must rebuild the temple. Give all of the gold to the workers so that this will be done." But when the secretary returned, he had no gold. And when Josiah asked why this was the secretary replied, "We found a book." Do you know this story?

LOCKE: No, I'm afraid I don't.

EKO: What the secretary had found was an ancient book -- the Book of Law. You may know it as the Old Testament. And it was with that ancient book, not with the gold, that Josiah rebuilt the temple. On the other side of the island we found a place much like this, and in this place we found a book. [Eko unwraps the book and pushes it toward Locke] I believe what's inside there will be of great value to you.

[Locke opens the book. A square has been cut out, and inside is a piece of film.]

so....what does it mean? I dunno, but there you have it.

I think the monitor on Keamys arm is for if he fails his mission it will blow the freighter up so noone finds out what they were up to

Thanks for the good vibes Hurling; they worked

Alais: My short answer is: I dunno.

But I can tell you this: I don't put the apparition of Yemi in the same category as Christian and the horse because Un-Yemi told Eko (in their final encounter), "You speak to me as though I am your brother." Which in my book is the same thing as saying, "I am not Yemi." Then he walked away, Eko followed, Smokey appeared and pummled Eko unto death. Maybe the apparition told Eko he wasn't Yemi because Eko was going to die so it wasn't neccessary for the UnYemi to maintain his cover any longer.

My point is that he is the only apparition that blew his cover. And immediately after he left, Smokey came in and killed a good man who had undergone a positive & profound spiritual transformation or whose circumstances had changed, releasing him from his soldier persona. He did not run from the ugliness he lived in in Africa and he did not run from the opportunity to change when his cicumstances changed. Eko was a helluva a pragmatist and he lived his life "It is as it is"; no apologies for coping. Pragmatism is an Undaunted family trait; "It is as it is" is our family motto.
So I might be being very subjective here!

Christian puzzles me. I'm wondering if White Shoes Christian is a different entity than In the Cabin Christian. Although maybe apparitions appear in the form of how they were last seen by the person they are appearing to? Jack's final encounter with his father was with a dead man dressed for the coffin, thus the incongruous white sneakers (no one would see his shoes) I have to check a clip of Claire's meeting with Dr. Dad to see if he is wearing the same clothes he wore in the cabin with Claire.

The horse is a puzzle too because that wasn't Kate's equine companion. He just appeared before the car wreck and lingered afterwards for a minute or two. It was the circumstance of his original appearance that ties him to Kate. She escaped from custoddy after the wreck. Avoidance.

In the real world, Kate, Jack & Claire all ran away from/avoided the people (horse) which now appear to them on the island. Is that the connection? They ran from reality rather than confronting it head on. I say Claire "ran" from Christian because she didn't even want to know his name when they met.

I think Vincent is alive so he isn't included in the apparition category. All that luggage washing ashore none the worse for wear was a hint that Vincent made it out alive. But I do think Vincent is being used as a messenger.

Claire's sultry demeanor: If she had a severe blow to the head, I wonder if her uncharacteristic demeanor is a result of that injury? I have told you all before that my Sweetheart suffered from seizures after a stroke. At one point he had "mirth" seizures...the damndest thing I ever did see! Everything was hilarious and silly. Everything! Constant giggling was totally uncharacteristic. They were the result of seizures in his temporal lobe which in my family we now refer to as "The Party Lobe".

Mikeyraw: I hadn't considered that! That makes sense.

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Originally posted by undaunted:
I just stumbled upon this little tid-bit from Season 2 episode 9/ What Kate Did....

This was after Eko & John watched the Dharmite movie.

EKO: Hello. I have something I think you should see. If you don't mind, I will begin at the beginning. Long before Christ the king of Judah was a man named Josiah.

LOCKE: Boy when you say beginning, you mean beginning.

EKO: At that time the temple where the people worshipped was in ruin. And so the people worshipped idols, false gods. And so the kingdom was in disarray. Josiah, since he was a good king, sent his secretary to the treasury and said: "We must rebuild the temple. Give all of the gold to the workers so that this will be done." But when the secretary returned, he had no gold. And when Josiah asked why this was the secretary replied, "We found a book." Do you know this story?

LOCKE: No, I'm afraid I don't.

EKO: What the secretary had found was an ancient book -- the Book of Law. You may know it as the Old Testament. And it was with that ancient book, not with the gold, that Josiah rebuilt the temple. On the other side of the island we found a place much like this, and in this place we found a book. [Eko unwraps the book and pushes it toward Locke] I believe what's inside there will be of great value to you.

[Locke opens the book. A square has been cut out, and inside is a piece of film.]

so....what does it mean? I dunno, but there you have it.

A VERY good catch! I think what it means is that the writers were giving us just another connection. At the time of the scene you descride it was about Eko and his religion and about the film. The Book of Law was just a vessel to carry and conceal the film.

Now, however, we see the connections. The first connection might be to where Eko found the book. Was it the tabernacle wherre the Others are now hiding and our killers are likely heading? We have not yet been there.

A second connection is to John as a child. Clearly John was seeing future events when he drew a picture of Smokie. Richard was testing him to see what other "visions" John was having.

Several of the items presented to John are fairly easy to interpet.

The knife is curious to me. Is it intended to be a connection to the Black Rock, which it appears to be? If this is the case, we have not yet seen the tie-in back to the Black Rock.

Or was it a connection to John's current knife obsession? If this is the case, Richard certainly got it wrong since a knife was certainly in John's future on the island.

And again, we come to the time travel element. Is Richard going back and forth with advanced knowledge of what the grown-up John will do on the island? We really don't know much about Richard. He is an active element in several instances but fades completely away. What is this "school" he wants to take John to? What other characters might be shown to have gone to this special school? It is quite the tidbit to not be developed just a bit more as a connection between characters. "We went to the Lostie island school."

And what role does Richard play on the island? He was likely the leader before Ben. Which faction, if any, does he work for? Was he the leader but lost his connection to the island as Ben seems to have done?

And most importantly, so you got the job, Dauntless?

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"We went to the Lostie island school."

Home of the "Fighting Smokies"!

I would hate to be in that mascot costume.

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"We went to the Lostie island school."

Home of the "Fighting Smokies"!

I would hate to be in that mascot costume.

To perform all the school cheers, not only would you have to be a gymnast but a ninja master too.

pagecarl: No word on the job yet.

I really think the objects presented to John by Alpert belonged to someone in the past, not to futureJohn. If John is the reincarnation of that person then he would know which object "already" belonged to him. It might be that John's future fascination with knives is a result of his previous incarnation. It might be that his insistance that he would be a hero, a man of action (in spite of his nerdness) is also born of that previous incarnation.

The comic book Alpert put on the table said something along the lines of "What are the mysteries of the island?" That's interesting. If Alpert wanted to take John to a school for special kids, it appears that comic book would have been used in that school to explain things to kids of a specific age.

Maybe all the kids on the island are special, sort of like the new agey "indigo children" concept (which I go on record as being a concept I reject). All the island kids go to the same school Locke was being tested for. Walt was being tested for the school too but he/his abilities proved to be too much for the teachers.

The knife was old...black rock old; so was the Book of Laws. It might be that John's choice of the knife indicated to Alpert that although John wasn't the one Alpert was looking for he was the reincarnation of someone else with a connection to the island and with a connection to that knife specifically. Alpert's mission was to find (for instance) Book of Laws Man and bring him to the island; not to find Knife Man so he left Locke with his foster family.

Was Emily being hit by a car an attempt of an opposing faction to eliminate Locke before he even got started? Wouldn't it be a hoot if we eventually see Abaddon was driving that car!

Maybe one faction wants "Book of Laws Man" to lead the island but the other faction wants "Knife Man" or "Watch Man" or "Comic Book Man" to lead the island.

Aaron is the reincarnation of The Most High Mucky Muck but he is too young to test to be certain. But the fact that he survived the crash is indicative of a tough little fellow, just like Baby Locke was.

I went back and checked: Dr. Dad was wearing a suit & tie when he met Claire to suggest that she euthanize her comatose mother. And by the way...what the hell? Why would he do that? His audacity was mind boggling!

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Originally posted by undaunted:
pagecarl: No word on the job yet.

I really think the objects presented to John by Alpert belonged to someone in the past, not to futureJohn. If John is the reincarnation of that person then he would know which object "already" belonged to him. It might be that John's future fascination with knives is a result of his previous incarnation. It might be that his insistance that he would be a hero, a man of action (in spite of his nerdness) is also born of that previous incarnation.

The comic book Alpert put on the table said something along the lines of "What are the mysteries of the island?" That's interesting. If Alpert wanted to take John to a school for special kids, it appears that comic book would have been used in that school to explain things to kids of a specific age.

Maybe all the kids on the island are special, sort of like the new agey "indigo children" concept (which I go on record as being a concept I reject). All the island kids go to the same school Locke was being tested for. Walt was being tested for the school too but he/his abilities proved to be too much for the teachers.

The knife was old...black rock old; so was the Book of Laws. It might be that John's choice of the knife indicated to Alpert that although John wasn't the one Alpert was looking for he was the reincarnation of someone else with a connection to the island and with a connection to that knife specifically. Alpert's mission was to find (for instance) Book of Laws Man and bring him to the island; not to find Knife Man so he left Locke with his foster family.

Was Emily being hit by a car an attempt of an opposing faction to eliminate Locke before he even got started? Wouldn't it be a hoot if we eventually see Abaddon was driving that car!

Maybe one faction wants "Book of Laws Man" to lead the island but the other faction wants "Knife Man" or "Watch Man" or "Comic Book Man" to lead the island.

Aaron is the reincarnation of The Most High Mucky Muck but he is too young to test to be certain. But the fact that he survived the crash is indicative of a tough little fellow, just like Baby Locke was.

I went back and checked: Dr. Dad was wearing a suit & tie when he met Claire to suggest that she euthanize her comatose mother. And by the way...what the hell? Why would he do that? His audacity was mind boggling!

Dauntless, the comic book said "What was the secret of the mysterious hidden land?" (Note: land - NOT island). The terrified guy on the cover was looking out the window of what looked like a train.

More interesting was the remainder of the comic book cover. There was a city, possibly patterned after New York, which was simply sitting on the ground. There was a second city, however, similar to the first but not exactly the same, literally floating on a cloud directly above the "grounded" city. I wonder what that means in relation to moving the island?

It would have been interesting had John opened the Book of Laws to see if it had been cut out to hold the film.

I watched parts of the episode again and in no way was Emily pregnant. Not the end of her second trimester.

And I had to agree with what some people have contended - mom sure looked like she recognized Richard outside the window of the nursery.

I also wonder if the "school" for special kids was really just dragging the kids to the island?

Dauntless, when do you find out if you are among the working?

Job: The job is with Fort Sill; I am told they will complete the process when they (I paraphrase here)damn well feel like it. That was a point of frustration for the women who interviewed me. But since it is a temp position that runs from 5/29 to 8/14 they better get moving or it will be moot. Maybe I will hear this week; maybe I will hear next week. Then again...I might not hear until the first week of June! I also have 3 apps in for a permanent position with the Department of the Army. Those are the ones I want; they closed on May 8.
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Ramblings.......

Emily and her non-pregnant appearance: I was 7 months pregnant with my first child before I went into maternity clothes and I only did it because I so wanted to wear maternity clothes because I was pregnant. I could have gone weeks longer in my 501s with the top two buttons undone and a loose blouse. In fact, when I was 5 months pregnant I wore a Cher-like genuine quiana (a clingy polyester blend) two piece outfit with an exposed midriff. And this: The beautiful young woman down the street that all the men were drooling over was walking her dog by my house one day and I was thinking "She's not all that; she's a bit thick through the middle." Snarky snarky me... she was 9 months pregnant and had her baby the following week!

So it is possible and not really unusual to be 6 months pregnant and not show at all, especially if you are young.

Are people just commenting on she didn't look pregnant? Or are they suggesting she wasn't pregnant? If she wasn't pregnant, what possible reason would there be for her to think she was, for Alpert to have orchestrated it in that way?
If she didn't give birth that was a mighty elaborate ruse.

I also thought Mrs.Locke recognized Alpert. And isn't it interesting that John was in foster care...why didn't they put him up for adoption? Mrs. Locke asked about adoption procdures. Why was John in foster care? That might be a clue for us. Was Mrs. Locke paid to keep John in foster care, to prevent his adoption in order to facilitate his removal to the island when he was older?

Did Emily really suffer from schizophrenia or was she "time crazy"? They look the same from the outside! "Emily, can you hear me?" 10 minutes later Emily snaps out of it, confused & screaming, "Leave me alone Mr. Abaddon!" She gets her bearings..."Mom, why don't you make them leave me alone?"

I was reading something or other recently that said Cuse & Lindelof said that the first show of the first season holds an enormous clue. As you all know, I think Vincent is very important. So I was wondering if it is the fact that Vincent didn't go immediately to find his boy. My dogs would have been frantic looking for me and they would have done a dog dance of joy when they found me. Shoot....Gus does a dance of joy when I come back from getting the mail!

The comic book cover is very interesting! Thanks for the details pagecarl. I still say that it might have been used as a teaching device for children.

I think the moving of the island will be accomplished by changing the bearing used to reach it. Someone on another site pointed out that the reading of the compass that Alpert gave to Locke for examination was 149 (or something). I wonder if that will be the new bearing? I know nothing about reading a compass.

I am rethinking my idea that Locke might have been the owner of the knife but that it meant he wasn't the wasn't the person Alpert was seeking. Because as Alpert took the knife from Locke after asking him, "Are you sure that the knife belongs to you?" Alpert said emphatically, "No it doesn't".

That indicates one of two things: 1. Alpert is mistaken, the knife does belong to Locke. 2. Alpert already knows for certain that Locke is the person he wants; the sole purpose of his visit was to determine whether or not Locke is ready to begin his apprenticeship.

I'm beginning to think Sawyer will be related to someone of importance.

Lapidus intrigues me. Didn't he call someone after seeing the newscast about OA 815 being found and say, "That isn't the pilot." Because if he did, then whoever hired him knows he knows. Was Lapidus chosen for the crew specifically to strand him or kill him as soon as he has served his purpose? He told Michael that Michael's thinking that Widmore was behind the discovery of fake 815 was mistaken. Lapidus doesn't think Widmore is behind it; he thinks (well...he thought) he was hired for a rescue mission.

And why was Lapidus replaced as the pilot of OA 815?

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Yes, Dauntless, I am right with you on the Army jobs. Two of the three jobs I applied for are Army, including one at Ft. Bliss. By the time I hear back from them I figure I'll be dead. No jobs at Ft. Sill. Besides, I have it on good report that it is noisy there.


I wasn't suggesting Emily wasn't pregnant, only that she was pretty trim. Anything else would be straining the plot even more than it already is.

The compass is either 149 or 329, depending on which way you are heading. I looked specifically at that thinking that if it was 305 we would have something.

As far as what Alpert was intending for John, they were quite creative in NOT allowing us enough information to determine. The part where Alpert sees the Smokie drawing John did could go either way. Alpert could either be amazed that John, who he had already selected, was already so connected to the island that he knew about Smokie. Or, Alpert knew little of John and was shocked to even see the picture. My personal feeling is that Alpert knew about John well in advance and was just checking to see if he was ready to go to the island. I base that on him being in the hospital when John was borne and, how the heck else would Alpert know anything about John? I also don't think there is any school. I think the intent was for John to go straight to the island. I also wonder if Alpert was plotting, even way back, to replace Ben, even before Ben became the leader?

And I still think John was intended to own the knife. I believe Alpert didn't want that to happen so it angered him.

As far as Lapidus, my only thought is that he might be an island wildcard. He might not be connected to anyone at all and is just throwing chance into the probability equation.

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think the moving of the island will be accomplished by changing the bearing used to reach it. Someone on another site pointed out that the reading of the compass that Alpert gave to Locke for examination was 149 (or something). I wonder if that will be the new bearing? I know nothing about reading a compass.

Try this on for size...

The O6 end up together at the helicopter and are flown to the freighter. Jack and Sayid arm themselves and go back to rescue the other Losties. However, in the meantime, Locke has "moved" the island, so Jack and company fly around until their fuel is low, but cannot find the island. With the strike team not on the freighter (and the Captain dead), Michael repairs the engines, and off they go to Java.

Jack, naturally, is devastated that he cannot save the remaining Losties.

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Originally posted by CaptNemo:
Try this on for size...

The O6 end up together at the helicopter and are flown to the freighter. Jack and Sayid arm themselves and go back to rescue the other Losties. However, in the meantime, Locke has "moved" the island, so Jack and company fly around until their fuel is low, but cannot find the island. With the strike team not on the freighter (and the Captain dead), Michael repairs the engines, and off they go to Java.

Jack, naturally, is devastated that he cannot save the remaining Losties.

It fits like a glove!

Not like an OJ glove, but like a Marilyn Monroe/Jane Russell glove from Gentlemen Prefer Blondes...all the way up to the elbows.

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The idea of the island heading makes sense, especially if we use the theory of Vile Vorticies that someone had put foward a couple of months ago on one of these threads. If the "magnetic signiture" of the island changes, it stands to reason that the vile vortex that it is associated with will change. Next time it may be in the bermuda triangle, for example. Oh, and you want the utter insanity of waiting for a response? I applied for medical school this year and am waiting for an acceptance. My wife is ready to throw me out every time I come home asking if anything good came in the mail. I just had my second interview yesterday. National Acceptance Day is thursday though, so I may hear something shortly after that when the acceptance figures stabilize for all the schools.

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Originally posted by LOST_MY_HEAD:
The idea of the island heading makes sense, especially if we use the theory of Vile Vorticies that someone had put foward a couple of months ago on one of these threads. If the "magnetic signiture" of the island changes, it stands to reason that the vile vortex that it is associated with will change. Next time it may be in the bermuda triangle, for example. Oh, and you want the utter insanity of waiting for a response? I applied for medical school this year and am waiting for an acceptance. My wife is ready to throw me out every time I come home asking if anything good came in the mail. I just had my second interview yesterday. National Acceptance Day is thursday though, so I may hear something shortly after that when the acceptance figures stabilize for all the schools.

Good luck to you LOST_MY_HEAD!

Actually, a couple of hours after my last post I got official word from one of my schools that I was accepted and I spent the rest of the day partying and raising a glass of champagne to celebrate. Thanks for the luck. Oh, and throw a little more, cause if I get into my other choice of school, it will be much closer.

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Originally posted by LOST_MY_HEAD:
Actually, a couple of hours after my last post I got official word from one of my schools that I was accepted and I spent the rest of the day partying and raising a glass of champagne to celebrate. Thanks for the luck. Oh, and throw a little more, cause if I get into my other choice of school, it will be much closer.

Congrats! And what is your school of choice?

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Originally posted by LOST_MY_HEAD:
Actually, a couple of hours after my last post I got official word from one of my schools that I was accepted and I spent the rest of the day partying and raising a glass of champagne to celebrate. Thanks for the luck. Oh, and throw a little more, cause if I get into my other choice of school, it will be much closer.

Hurray! I'm sending "frosting for that cake" vibes now.

Well, I got accepted into Southern Illinois but University of Illinois Chicago would be sweet because of its proximity.

I believe Abaddon and Alpert are counter-parts. Abaddon is Dharma. and Alpert is Island.

When we first met The Dharma Initiative I thought it reeked of the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us of.

I'm expecting that we will learn that Abaddon is also ageless.

Abaddon champions Locke. Do the people Abaddon works for want Ben out of the way so he will not influence Locke or so that Locke's authority on the island will be unopposed? Because here is my theory in a nutshell:

Does the fate of the world rest in Aaron's hands? Is this whole show about Grown-up-Aaron being The One who is confronted with the horrific nuclear nightmare of (hang on to your hats) . . . "Push the button? Don't push the button?"

Are Abaddon and Alpert vying to put in place a support group for a specific child they are seeking (Aaron) so they can control/influence him so he makes the decision their respective faction wants him to make? Does one faction want him in the position that permits him to make that decision and the other faction wants to keep him out of that position?

Abaddon wants Locke in place. Alpert was angry when Locke chose the knife; Is that because it indicates that Locke’s natural inclination leans in a direction opposed to what
Alpert needs him for?

I think that Jacob knows who Aaron is. I don’t know if Alpert does. I do not think Abaddon knows yet. I wonder if the reason Claire had to be removed from the rest of the Lostees is so she could not get on that plane. Clearly, someone else would have given up their seat to Claire & Aaron. The reason Claire had to stay behind and Kate had to take Aaron is specifically to throw Abaddon and his faction off the scent . . . Because Abaddon’s faction would think that if the other side had The All Important Child in their custody, it would never relinquish him and certainly not to the likes of Kate.

I think I might be on to something here. That is, as always, subject to change at the drop of a hat.

PS: Where the hell is Jacob? Last we heard from him he beseeched Locke, "Help me."

The island's dead/undead: All those heiroglyphs...Do you suppose there might be a soul sucking mummy on the island?

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Dauntless, as long as you are putting together factions, why not have Jacob representing one factions and Christian another?

Jacob is the trapped in time group and Christian is the dead but still floating around group.

At the moment, the dead but floating around group have enough muscle to push aside the Jacob group, hence Christian appeared to John instead of Jacob.

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Dauntless, as long as you are putting together factions, why not have Jacob representing one factions and Christian another?

Jacob is the trapped in time group and Christian is the dead but still floating around group.

At the moment, the dead but floating around group have enough muscle to push aside the Jacob group, hence Christian appeared to John instead of Jacob.

Can't do it pagecarl because I think Jacob and Christian (in one manifestation or another) are on the same side. That's why Christian has Claire with him.

I wonder if Jacob manifested as Christian to get Claire to go with him so she could not get on the copter. And he didn't revert to "spectral Jacob" when Locke came in so he wouldn't scare the living dayights out of Claire...though it appeared that Claire was in a state that would preclude scaring the living daylights out of her. Which might be exactly why she was in that state...to prevent hysteria.

Christian is a great puzzlement. He gets around! When he was alive he was Jack's dad, Claire's dad, he met Ana Lucia and Sawyer. When he was dead Jack saw him, Hurley saw him, Locke saw him, Claire saw him.

I wonder if Christian is a direct descendant of Jacob? Maybe we think we are seeing Christian, but actually Christian looks just like Jacob.

I'm convinced LOST has something to do with bloodlines.

When asked what books fans should be reading to help them understand LOST, Cuse said, "Keep reading the Bible." Okey dokey then....

Jacob stole his twin brother Esau's birthright.
Is that the two factions? Island Jacob is the usurper of his twin's birthright? Is Widmore a descendant of the twin's line? Is he trying to regain his line's birthright?

Jacob's wife Rachel died as she gave birth to her second son,(Jacob's 12th son) Benjamin.

Aaron was the spokesman for Moses. God spoke to Moses but Aaron is the one who spoke to the people. In fact, contrary to popular belief, it was Aaron, not Moses, who cast down the staff that became a snake before Pharaoh and held out his staff to bring about the first three plagues against Egypt.

Abaddon is the destroying angel of the bottomless pit. He is an enigma. At times, he is an angel of judgment, not of satan but of God, destroying at God's bidding. Both Heaven and Hell claim him as an ally, other times as an enemy. The dilemma of Abaddon is that he does resemble the Anti-Christ but he also resembles the prophet from the Lord who will stir up the south and in some ways may be in Islam. If there are two persons fulfilling these prophecies, one from the Lord and one "anti" of the Lord, inotherwords, the Lord's servant and His counterfeit, only time will tell. We can see here that Abaddon represents destruction in a general sense and not always the same person or group of people. The scriptures suggest one man and if so, he sure is confusing. Latter Rain website

Jack: No references in the Bible to a "Jack" but LostJack did something at the end of Cabin Fever that brings to mind a quote by one of my favorite Jacks of all time, Jack Burton Of Big Trouble in Little China who once said, "I feel pretty good. I'm not... I'm not scared at all. I feel kind of... feel kind of invincible." I want a disclaimer on that though...LostJack is no Jack Burton!

I think I'll toss that dvd in right now!

wow i was right bout keamys lil arm gadget