Haven't posted for a while but,

Sayid caused Ben to be bad by shooting him.

Faraday caused his mom to be the worst mother ever by having her shoot him.

Jack will use Jughead to cause the incident that made them press a button every 108 minutes. He thinks he is stopping it but in fact he will cause it.

Destiny's joke. And the writers used this time loop create a Terminator-sized headache for people trying to understand time travel.

Other things with this:
1. This will cause the problem with having babies cause the incident will put time off just a touch.
2. Radzinsky will be assigned the Swan cause he didn't listen to Chang and cost him his arm (and created the first war with Sawyer's info.)
3.The incident will floom the survivors back to their real time. Where they will meet Locke(, who I believe to be smokey.) Richard saw them disappear in the big bang, which is why he thinks they are dead.

But why was Richard so shocked about the time travel stuff, he has had 50 years (and 30 years to think about it.)

And is smokey fighting with Jacob for control of the island??

Good show tonight, I loved it.

How about if whatever Jack does get's him stuck in-between times and therefore creates the manifestation known as Jacob. Then we can have the final showdown between Locke and Jack. May also explain why Christian is roaming the island with Jack's half sister.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Joshanda,

quote:

Originally posted by Stock:But why was Richard so shocked about the time travel stuff, he has had 50 years (and 30 years to think about it.)

First, I like your theory. I'm not sure about the baby thing, or Locke being smokey, but the first 4 points I'm on board with.

Now about Richard. I was surprised that he didn't get the time travel thing. He's always seemed so honest and credible, but I wonder if he was playing Locke.

The timeline is increasingly confusing, but at the moment he was registering shock at Locke's suggestion of time travel, he had already chatted with Locke in the 50s and followed that up by visiting him twice as a baby and a young boy. He'd also seen Daniel in various time periods and accepted that as fact.

And the bit of the interaction with Locke (while he was helping him with the bullet) that wasn't replayed for us last night was the bit where Richard gave Locke the watch and told him that "the next time we meet I won't know you," etc.

So how could Richard not know what had happened to Locke when "the light flashed and you were just gone?"

The only theories I have are 1) Richard is pretending not to understand, or 2) Richard is himself leaping through time out of synch with the others. Now that would explain why he never ages, why his clothes are always impeccably pressed, and why he's never been the sole leader of any group of people.

But honestly I think I'm stretching too far on this one.

Thoughts?

quote:

Originally posted by Stock:

And is smokey fighting with Jacob for control of the island??

My prediction: There is no Jacob. Locke's statement to Ben that he intends to kill Jacob is Nietzschian. Zarathustra declares God is dead, because God never actually existed. That's why Locke wants the whole band of others to accompany him. He wants everyone there when he pulls back the curtain on the humbug. That is how Locke intends to 'kill' Jacob.

quote:

Originally posted by Deep Cover:

quote:

Originally posted by Stock:

And is smokey fighting with Jacob for control of the island??

My prediction: There is no Jacob. Locke's statement to Ben that he intends to kill Jacob is Nietzschian. Zarathustra declares God is dead, because God never actually existed. That's why Locke wants the whole band of others to accompany him. He wants everyone there when he pulls back the curtain on the humbug. That is how Locke intends to 'kill' Jacob.

I'm tracking with you on this Deep Cover. A hundred years ago there was a dreadful movie on TV about a bunch of Catholic school girls (children)who are stranded for years on an island after a plane they were on crashes. The nun who was with them was killed in the crash. One girl takes over, not as leader but as intermediary for "Sister"...."Sister says we should blah blah blah." None of the other kids ever see Sister, but all of the kids do exactly as Sister says they should. But sister is dead dead dead.

I've thought from the git-go that Jacob is Lost's equivalent of "Sister".

But if Jacob does not exist - then who was sitting in the chair for that split second when we saw sombody? and who asked John fo help?

quote:

Originally posted by rhys:
But if Jacob does not exist - then who was sitting in the chair for that split second when we saw sombody? and who asked John fo help?

The answer to Q1 I'm pretty sure is widely agreed, is Christian Shepard. Christian Shepard, whatever he is, is not Jacob. The white sneakers thing has been used to demonstrate that, like Locke, Christian has been resurected on the island. We saw what life Christian had off the island, and it wasn't the life of an island spirit. Why he was resurrected, by whom or what, or whose side he is on (or if there is any such thing as a side any more) we do not know.

The answer to Q2, IMO, is whoever/whatever now speaks to Locke (which he believes is the island talking to him).

What's interesting to me is that the forces that have given Locke purpose directed Locke to retrieve the Oceanic 6 and return them to the island, while simultaneously in the other timeline/plotline, it appears that Mrs. Hawking worked towards the same end for her own personal purposes (even as Farraday concluded that the Oceanic 6 weren't 'supposed to be there').

Remeber when Richard looks at Locke and says, you look or seem different John. I think John seems different too and it makes me wonder if he is in fact Locke. I like your theory that Richard is on to him and is figuring out how to out smart him so he is playing along. Ben and Richard are on the same team that came out when they commented on what a problem Locke is going to be. Interesing episode!

Additional random thought. It strikes me as significant that Locke's resurrection is a game changer for Ben and Richard. Seeing as how a resurrected Christian Shepard has been running around the island since the Oceanic crash. That seems to say Ben and Richard have never seen Christian, and have no clue about his existence, much less his role as island intermediary for Locke. The implications of that are interesting.

Possibly they,Christian and Locke, are the same "spirit" at this point which is why we don't see them together.Interchangeable because their bodies are inhabited by "Jacob"?

Ok so it wasn't Jacob but the other guy,wow!