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The latest edition of Key Points is now available:

Key Points from "Whatever Happened, Happened"

I'm not a fan of Kate episodes, but this one surprised me -- probably because the Kate stuff was meshed with a larger story.


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Yay, Jin is alive! I don't think I could have tolerated Sun's reaction to his death again.

Spoiler in white if you don't watch the preview for next week:
I'm really looking forward to seeing Smokey heal Ben next week. I hope that gives us some info on Richard's fountain of youth and Others' super powers.

Miles was pretty funny this week. I was starting to think having Hurley pop on camera for 1 funny line each week was turning into a "Whatchoo talkin' about, Willis?" which becomes tiresome.

I also like Jack refusing to do anything, turning from the man of impulse to the man of lethargy. How long will it take before he gets tired of waiting for the island to do something spectacular and he goes back to his old ways?

That was such a beautiful e-vil grin on Locke's face. It would've been funny if he'd waited for Ben to wake up just so he could strangle him (haha, tagged you back!), even though it wouldn't have done anything for the plot.

Richard had stubble. Was that a clue for something? If a person doesn't age, does that mean his hair & nails don't grow (and eyeliner doesn't rub off)? Or maybe everything grows normally, it's just that cells don't age & die. Maybe they were showing that Richard had just woken up, knowing he was needed, and appeared where he needed to be.

Have we seen the woman who tried to kidnap Aaron before? They gave her a good, long close-up, was wondering if there was a reason. If not, probably we'll see her later.
 
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Yay, Jin is alive! I don't think I could have tolerated Sun's reaction to his death again.



Did I miss something? I recall seeing a few different people mention they were worried about Jin being dead after last week's episode. Why did that become a question? Since when does getting judo-flipped over someone's head create a concern for death? And why on earth would Sayid ever want to kill Jin? He just wanted to keep him from alerting Dharma.
 
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Yay, Jin is alive! I don't think I could have tolerated Sun's reaction to his death again.

Richard had stubble. Was that a clue for something? If a person doesn't age, does that mean his hair & nails don't grow (and eyeliner doesn't rub off)? Or maybe everything grows normally, it's just that cells don't age & die. Maybe they were showing that Richard had just woken up, knowing he was needed, and appeared where he needed to be.

Have we seen the woman who tried to kidnap Aaron before? They gave her a good, long close-up, was wondering if there was a reason. If not, probably we'll see her later.


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Hurling, I agree about the woman in the store. The second I saw her, I thought of Claire. The woman with her wild flowing blonde hair and somewhat expressive look made me thing of a bizarro version of Claire or her mom. I can't say that the woman will become a character but she was certainly taking Aaron, not reporting him as lost.

As with Prime above this, I never could figure out all of the questions about jin's possible death. Nothing happened that even hinted at death. yet Jin has taken a very secondary role in the show. It will be interesting to see if he jumps back into the forefront.

Also interesting was Richard entering the ruins while carrying Ben. He walked past what looked like the "Smokey hole" corner of the ruins but htere was no hole. The ruins are overgrown but clearly, based on Richard's discussion of what will happen to Ben, there is power within. That makes one wonder back to past and ancient civilizations. Were the ruins built over a "power" spot on the island or is there some independent power contained in the ruins?

And only on Lost can there be a discussion about the significance of Richard having a stubble. He has been unshaven in past years. This is not new. It does, however, lead to questions based on historic sci fi standards. Using vampires as the model for immortality, there should be no growth of hair or nails. There have been a few exceptions to that, but very few. Some vampires have been given extended fingernails for that extra evil impact, but that is generally it. So we know Richrd grows hair. Does that mean he is immortal, or just long lived? Yet the amount of stubble indicates he grows hair as quickly as I do. A question to ponder. I think Richard is simply tied into the island. The island heals injury and, as has been said here before, what is aging but an injury to cells leading to their deterioration. The island simply heals the aging injury to cells, leading to a perfectly normal person who doesn't age. That said, how does Ben go from a teenager to an adult? That would assume that "growing up" is the growth of cells up to a certain point (age 19, 20?) after which the cells begin dying. Did Widmore only begin to age when he left the island?

Are the writers again reading various forums? The discussion between Hurley and Miles sounded lots like some of the questions which have been posed here about time. Okay, this makes perfect sense, but ...... I can actually accept that time is non-linear and that before is happening after the future. That is supported by quantum physics. As Miles said, however, Ben not remembering just throws that all to crap. So the writers pose a problem and fix it all in one show. Ben will forget everything because of his exposure to whatever is in the ruins, which simultaneously turns him into an Other.

Is it "once an Other, always an Other"? Is Widmore still an Other or does his time off the island allow the Otherness to wear off? Is this like being an Oakland Raider fan (which I am)? It never wears off.

How does Ben get back into the graces of the Dharmites? They have to know he went to the Others. Don't they? Where else could he be? Yet we also know ben gets back with the Dharmites before he orchestrates the Other takeover since Ben is in camp when he kills his dad in the VW episode.

And last, do Kate and Ben's dad get cozy? Now THAT would be a plot twist. Ben kills his dad just before dad is about to get physical with his dream babe.
 
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Yay, Jin is alive! I don't think I could have tolerated Sun's reaction to his death again.

Richard had stubble. Was that a clue for something? If a person doesn't age, does that mean his hair & nails don't grow (and eyeliner doesn't rub off)? Or maybe everything grows normally, it's just that cells don't age & die. Maybe they were showing that Richard had just woken up, knowing he was needed, and appeared where he needed to be.

Have we seen the woman who tried to kidnap Aaron before? They gave her a good, long close-up, was wondering if there was a reason. If not, probably we'll see her later.


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Hurling, I agree about the woman in the store. The second I saw her, I thought of Claire. The woman with her wild flowing blonde hair and somewhat expressive look made me thing of a bizarro version of Claire or her mom. I can't say that the woman will become a character but she was certainly taking Aaron, not reporting him as lost.

As with Prime above this, I never could figure out all of the questions about jin's possible death. Nothing happened that even hinted at death. yet Jin has taken a very secondary role in the show. It will be interesting to see if he jumps back into the forefront.

Also interesting was Richard entering the ruins while carrying Ben. He walked past what looked like the "Smokey hole" corner of the ruins but htere was no hole. The ruins are overgrown but clearly, based on Richard's discussion of what will happen to Ben, there is power within. That makes one wonder back to past and ancient civilizations. Were the ruins built over a "power" spot on the island or is there some independent power contained in the ruins?

And only on Lost can there be a discussion about the significance of Richard having a stubble. He has been unshaven in past years. This is not new. It does, however, lead to questions based on historic sci fi standards. Using vampires as the model for immortality, there should be no growth of hair or nails. There have been a few exceptions to that, but very few. Some vampires have been given extended fingernails for that extra evil impact, but that is generally it. So we know Richrd grows hair. Does that mean he is immortal, or just long lived? Yet the amount of stubble indicates he grows hair as quickly as I do. A question to ponder. I think Richard is simply tied into the island. The island heals injury and, as has been said here before, what is aging but an injury to cells leading to their deterioration. The island simply heals the aging injury to cells, leading to a perfectly normal person who doesn't age. That said, how does Ben go from a teenager to an adult? That would assume that "growing up" is the growth of cells up to a certain point (age 19, 20?) after which the cells begin dying. Did Widmore only begin to age when he left the island?

Are the writers again reading various forums? The discussion between Hurley and Miles sounded lots like some of the questions which have been posed here about time. Okay, this makes perfect sense, but ...... I can actually accept that time is non-linear and that before is happening after the future. That is supported by quantum physics. As Miles said, however, Ben not remembering just throws that all to crap. So the writers pose a problem and fix it all in one show. Ben will forget everything because of his exposure to whatever is in the ruins, which simultaneously turns him into an Other.

Is it "once an Other, always an Other"? Is Widmore still an Other or does his time off the island allow the Otherness to wear off? Is this like being an Oakland Raider fan (which I am)? It never wears off.

How does Ben get back into the graces of the Dharmites? They have to know he went to the Others. Don't they? Where else could he be? Yet we also know ben gets back with the Dharmites before he orchestrates the Other takeover since Ben is in camp when he kills his dad in the VW episode.

And last, do Kate and Ben's dad get cozy? Now THAT would be a plot twist. Ben kills his dad just before dad is about to get physical with his dream babe.

It was possible that Sayid broke Jin's neck on the throw. From the sad look he had when he said "You're right, I'm a killer," I thought he had unintentionally killed Jin in his attempt to keep him from contacting anyone.

Again, Jin's secondary role is just lack of room in a 1 hr show. Christian still has to get Sun & Lapidus to the past.

I hadn't noticed Richard's stubble before. If I were retired, I'd rewatch the whole series & take copious notes & enter them into a database.

"Power spot?" Like a vortex? I might have to go vortex hunting after all - 13 days from now. (hurling canNOT wait & isn't concentrating on work even tho she's in the middle of a very important production run & can't miss the deadline. vacay is overdue.)

I don't think the Dharmites will know that Ben has been transformed, only that he has been healed. And who distrusts a child? Not even the people who truly know that he's evil. Certainly not the clod Dharmites. Is anyone else surprised that we haven't seen any really bright Dharmites? Is that the plan - to just have drones carrying out the work? That's a sure sign of evil intent & bad planning - in order to have complete control, your followers mustn't be smart enough to take over. "Benson, dear, dear Benson, you are so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence."

Yep, I immediately thought Kate & Roger were headed for VW microbus sex, or Sex in a Drum.

Another note on Roger: as is typical of an abuser, he honestly thinks he's doing his best to raise his son & has no idea of the damage he's inflicted. Sure, sure, that's what his wife would've wanted, to tell the kid every year on his birthday that that's the day he killed his mother.
 
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And only on Lost can there be a discussion about the significance of Richard having a stubble. He has been unshaven in past years. This is not new. It does, however, lead to questions based on historic sci fi standards. Using vampires as the model for immortality, there should be no growth of hair or nails. There have been a few exceptions to that, but very few. Some vampires have been given extended fingernails for that extra evil impact, but that is generally it. So we know Richrd grows hair.


On the subject of Richard's hair... When Ben first encountered Richard in the jungle when trying to run away from Dharma, Richard was dressed (for the only time as I recall) in shabby "Hostiles" gear and had long straggly hair (or, rather, the wig now being used for Roger Linus).

Why was this the only time he looked like that?
 
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I also thought that the woman in the supermarket intended to kidnap Ben. The only thing Claire-like about her was she was blonde. She looked to me like a caricature of a cheap hooker. And I think Kate knew the woman was stealing Aaron.

What the hell is Alpert going to do to heal Ben that will change his personality, rob him of his innocence,and make him a forever Other?

If, according to Alpert,young Ben will remember nothing about what happened to him then one of two things is so: Either the 06ers leave the island before healed Ben gets back to Dharmaville OR Ben most certainly will remember the 06ers because they are there when he returns from the healing.

Widmore and Ellie are still on the island in 1977; Richard still doesn't answer to them.

How does Miles know about the FDW? Did he get that info when he was hired for the freighter expedition?

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I also thought that the woman in the supermarket intended to kidnap Ben. The only thing Claire-like about her was she was blonde. She looked to me like a caricature of a cheap hooker. And I think Kate knew the woman was stealing Aaron.

What the hell is Alpert going to do to heal Ben that will change his personality, rob him of his innocence,and make him a forever Other?

If, according to Alpert,young Ben will remember nothing about what happened to him then one of two things is so: Either the 06ers leave the island before healed Ben gets back to Dharmaville OR Ben most certainly will remember the 06ers because they are there when he returns from the healing.

Widmore and Ellie are still on the island in 1977; Richard still doesn't answer to them.

How does Miles know about the FDW? Did he get that info when he was hired for the freighter expedition?


Only because of our knowledge of Smokia coming out of its hole, I wonder if Ben's impending transmogrification into an Other is related to a contact with Smoky? Could Smoky be the island's "go-no go" test of a person's suitability to be on the island? If a person is island material, Smoky makes subtle changes which makes them and Other. If the person isn't suitable they are dismembered?

When I wrote about the woman in the store I think I said a "Bizarro" version of Claire. For that matter, other than being blonde, Claire's mother doesn't look like her all that much. Who knows what Claire might look like if she had spent some time in the island time warp. I'm not necessarily convinced that woman won't turn out to be Claire, somehow returned from the island to reclaim Asron, but unable to admit who she is because of some constraint from Christian.

And Dauntless, I agree that something has to happen fast, before Ben returns to Dharmaville. Beyond that, after Ben re-returns to the Others, can we assume that nobody will have a casual discussion with him about "that day you first came to us, wounded and unconcious, carried by the long-haired guy and the hot but emotionally ravaged babe"?

And will Ben remember his transformation into an Other?

After thinking more about it, my feeling is that the island doesn't give immortality. People simply don't experience cell degeneration. With the body's internals working at peak efficiency, more hair will grow, not less. Thus Richard's stubble would be expected. That would also explain why people age when they leave the island. Widmore, for instance, entered into a degenerative state (aging) the moment he left the island. Another question would be if the island can heal degenerated cells and be essentially a fountain of youth. remember that we still don't know the origin of the Others. It isn't beyond belief that they are from the Black Rock. Except, of course, that if the Black Rock was a slaver, there is a significant lack of racial diversification among the Others.
 
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I'm not a fan of Kate episodes, but this one surprised me -- probably because the Kate stuff was meshed with a larger story.


I was getting very worried for Kate. Usually when you resolve all of your major life issues like she did (with Aaron/Claire and with Sawyer at the end), the character dies at the end of the show. Thank Goodness she's still love/hate with Jack or she'd be a goner by now.
 
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I'm not a fan of Kate episodes, but this one surprised me -- probably because the Kate stuff was meshed with a larger story.


I was getting very worried for Kate. Usually when you resolve all of your major life issues like she did (with Aaron/Claire and with Sawyer at the end), the character dies at the end of the show. Thank Goodness she's still love/hate with Jack or she'd be a goner by now.

LOL, that's so true, Tom. Lost tries not to be a typical show, but at the rate they're going, EVERYONE will die at the end.
 
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