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Hi everyone!
The latest edition of Key Points is now available: Key Points from "There's No Place Like Home, Part 1" Keeping track of all the comings and goings in this episode was tough, but the set-up for the finale certainly looks interesting. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Senior Editor, Owner, Guy Who Writes the Lost Blog The Fodder Network: Interesting Blogs for Interesting People |
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Yikes..could bye-bee Aaron be Jack's nephew AND brother?
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Cross posting my blogservations:
I found it difficult to be engaged by this episode. It had the same infirmity as the last three Star Wars movies: you can’t really be surprised or thrown by plot twists when you know how the story must end. There’s no cliffhanger suspense, for example, in Jack’s bleeding wound or in Hurley being with Ben and Sawyer at the Orchid, since we’ve already seen them get off the island. I don’t find the process of moving them from their present circumstance to the hold of that military transport nearly as interesting as the writers seem to. I can’t bring myself to care much about the contents of another mysterious hatch, when the future plotline conflict has already been revealed to go well beyond small island mysteries such as those hatches. There’s a weird discontinuity in watching things happen at breakneck speed while being impatient for things to happen. For me, the flash-forwards have passed from interesting and novel new twist to the storytelling to a gigantic string of buzz-killing spoilers. A lot of the show made me feel like I was watching a rerun. I knew Hurley was going to greet his restored car the moment that Cheech told him he wanted to show him his present. I knew that Nadiya was the one who wanted to see Sayid before they said it. I knew that Jack was going to find out Claire was his sister the moment that conversation started. The only one of those scenes where the acting worked well enough to make me care was the reaction shot we got from Naveen Andrews. ___________________________ "God does not play dice with the universe." |
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I spent the entire night (okay - 10 minutes) trying to think of much to say about this episode, standing alone by itself. Other than as a setup for the finale there wasn't much meat.
The Orchid was fairly cool. The aboveground structures reminded me a a hundred-year-old sugar cane plantation I visited on the island of St. Lucia. It was also interesting that Ben told John how to get to the secret rooms of the Orchid but not what to do when he got there. Is there a big red button labeled "push to move island"? I still wonder what will happen to the freighter. First, it's only an island hopping freighter, not an open ocean ship. It is gettiing ready to be a ship on the bottom of the sea. It isn't enough that we know, as most had guessed, that Keamys "button" is wired to the ship. Of course, I wonder why he would want to blow up the freighter, but that is another issue. More, several "throw away" Losties are now on the freighter, but so are Sun and Aaron. Is it just me, or is it no longer as much fun to watch Ben get the crap slapped out of him? And sorry, but I'm not buying a 12-foot Zodiac running any distance through the sea, especially overloaded. I have run that exact boat many times. Four people is overloaded, and Hurley counts as two. And that little motor would barely get two people up on plane, let alone six. No way. A 30-minute 'copter trip back and forth between the island and freighter would take that Zodiac 8 hours. Sorry that I actually look for some reality. Note that the raft shown on the beach on Sumba with the O6 walking up to be saved is not the Zodiac that Sayid is using. Where does this new raft come from? I did wonder about the significance of Sun buying her dad's company. Given that Jin is on the freighter, does Sun get off with Aaron and Jin blows up? Other than making Aaron his relative, what does it really matter at this point that Claire is Jack's half sister? Oh, yes. And after a long absence, the numbers are back! Long live the numbers! Next to return - Walt? And at this point I don't know that I really CARE who is in the coffin. All in all, Dauntless and Hurling's discussion about hanged and hung is more interesting. Right now I have Dauntless up a half point. Her "hung" comment is worth a full point but she loses a half by including Vacaville, a real pit (where my grandmother lived). |
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Great review as always Mac! BTW...Your LOST review is, in my opinion, the best on the internet.
I agree with pagecarl and patcon...this episode was not so engaging. Sort of a mezzanine episode, a stop on the way to the top floor. So....It is confirmed that Kate is claiming to be Aaron's biological mother. She was 6 months pregnant when she boarded Flight 815. My immediate thought is how do they explain that the authorities didn't know she was pregnant? But I don't know that all women are given pregnancy tests when they are incarcerated.I don't even know that Kate was ever in custody in Australia. The US Marshall went to fetch her himself from the farmer...no cops. More like a bounty hunter thing, came in, nabbed her, maybe a stop at the US Embassy for a passport, put her on the plane to LA. Does anyone else think that Aaron is freakishly BIG and well developed for a 5 week old infant? My pet peeve is still my pet peeve....the matter of the plane crashing in the wrong ocean was not addressed. The reporters didn't ask anything about it so I guess there was a credible explanation given. Pre-rescue The Oceanic 6 are scattered hither and yon. It will be interesting to see how they all come together for removal from the island. But since no socks made it back to the real world, I'm thinking the freighter will blow. If it doesn't blow, it will be interesting to see how they neutralize that wall of c-4. Does anyone else have the unsettling feeling that Locke will screw up big time? Screw up in the same vein (or vain, as the case might be) as "destroying the computer so the numbers can't be entered" big time? I just have this sense of Locke being the ultimate puppet, we can almost see his strings! To me, there is nothing heroic about him. For all his showy juju/mojo stuff, he's not very in touch with himself. He's always yelling, "Don't tell me what I can't do!" But he is ready & willing to do anything he is told as long as it feeds his perception of himself. He murdered Naomi on the order of Taller Ghost Walt. Using Sawyer as his weapon he committed patricide for crying out loud! Why? Because Ben told him he had to in order to learn the secrets of the island. He's a puppet I tell you and I think when he goes to think for himself he will screw up bigtime again, just like he did with the hatch. Jack & Sawyer would have happily abandoned Locke to his "destiny" but they went in to rescue Hugo. Funny. The contrived "Plus 2" of the Oceanic 6 who were supposed to have survived the crash, but died on the Indian Ocean island... more intriguing now than when we first heard it because it seems according to spoilers that: Spoiler Michael will not be the one in the coffin I guess Sun got one helluva settlement from Oceanic! She would have been compensated as a survivor, she would have been compensated as a widow, and the baby would have been compensated for the loss of her father. Which brings me to this: What's up with Oceanic Airlines? That's no ordinary settlement...that's major "Buy controlling interest of Paik Industries" hush money. that' all I got. This message has been edited. Last edited by: undaunted, |
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Don't I get a point for the veiled reference to the guy being a guest of the State of California? Vacaville is Vacaville but give it credit where it's due: It always smells delicious, like fried onions! I was never able to drive through without craving a burger w/onion rings. Better than Castro Valley which reeks of raw brussell sprouts. |
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Thanks mac, great review as always! We'll miss you in two weeks but will look forward to vacc's review & your comments.
Just a few observations: Charlotte is an idiot. And a bitch. Danny is enjoying his "heroic" role. Saltines are bad enough when fresh. Anyone else notice Sawyer's reference to Bensylvania as "New Otherton"? Funny... The whole island-as-sentient-being is getting more annoying each episode. It was a stretch when Tom first brought it up, & now it seems to be a convenient out whenever TPTB want to manufacture an excuse for someone to not get killed. Are we supposed to assume that the island wanted Alex, Danielle, etc., to be killed, then? Or was it off-duty & missed its cue to wipe out Keamy's team's guns? I'm not an economist & don't know much about the process of buying a controlling interest in a company, but I thought it was rather unrealistic to make a plot point of Sun buying a controlling interest in her father's company. However, it was *very* satisfying in terms of sticking it to Mr. Paik. Sun is more her father's daughter than perhaps she'd like to admit. The whole Kate-Aaron storyline teeters extremely close to total implausibility...but unfortunately most of Kate's storyline over these four years has done the same. I think she could have been a lot more interesting character w/better backstory explanations & continuity. As far as it being Claire's mom who shows up at Christian's memorial service & spills the beans to Jack, I think it would have been more realistic for it to have been Claire's aunt. As several reviewers have mentioned, Claire's mom seemed to be in a permanent vegetative state. Loved Ben's instructions to Locke, especially the part about which plant to look behind. Does Locke know his botany as well as Ben obviously does? A reviewer commented that "Sayid and Nadia are running a close second to Des and Penny in my awesome love story rankings." I would have to agree...if someone looked at me the way Sayid looked at Nadia I think I'd turn into a puddle of melted butter. Hopefully Des & Penny's final outcome is better than Sayid & Nadia's.  Re the Numbers showing up in Hurley's car: Poor Hurley. Those numbers seem to be haunting him more than anyone else on the show...actually, do the Numbers show up in anyone else's backstory, or is it just Hurley's? If it is just Hurley who's pursued by the Numbers, why him? Have we considered the possibility that Hurley's hallucinating & seeing the Numbers in places that they're not? Re the O6 Big Lie: When Sun is asked about Jin, she says, after some significant glances w/Jack, that her husband never made it off the plane. And as another reviewer pointed out, there must have been three people who died post-crash: eight survived, three died, Kate "gave birth" to Aaron. 8-3=5+1=6. Will TPTB catch/deal w/that? I'm thinking that it was Jack who cut a deal to participate in The Big Lie, assuming that he was speaking for all of the O6. undaunted, agree totally w/your assessment of Locke. Finally, the idea of a rational explanation of LOST at this point is pretty unlikely, but I'm still enjoying the ride! |
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Pagecarl loses a point for continuing to call Undaunted "Dauntless." Correct me if I'm wrong, U, but wasn't that your name for only about a day?
Nothing else to add that hasn't already been said, here or on the recap page. Off to get screwdrivered. Have a nice weekend, everyone. |
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I am Undaunted, previously known as Intrepid. I have no independent recollection of ever having been Dauntless. I always fancied it was pagecarl's term of endearment for me. Enjoy your evening. I'm considering mai tai-ing one on my own self. _____________ Don't know if anyone else missed this Sawyerism last nite (I missed it until another poster mentioned it) In context of the hitherto hirsute Jack being body builder smooth in episode before last, it's pretty funny!>> When Sawyer sees the blood on Jack's shirt he asked, "Cut yourself shaving?" |
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You are on the mark! A term of endearment, it is. As long as that's okay, you will be forever Dauntless. I think you have your Castros mixed. Castroville is the artichoke capital of California. Oh, I love artichokes dipped in mayo! Yummmmm. Castro Valley (my home town) is now a bedroom community for the rest of the prosperous Bay Area. And there is yet another Castro Valley way up north near the Oregon border. Our mail sometimes went there by mistake, before the popular use of zip codes. And as far as Alais' comments above; I agree that - the Kate-Aaron line is a bit stretched. On the other hand, it is not common to give a pregnancy test after taking a fugitive in custody so it is at least possible. Yes, Aaron is a BIG boy for his "big lie" age. On the other hand, my dad has been digitizing old pictures a few at a time and sending them to me. I was as big as Aaron at that young age so it is possible. I wonder more about Aaron having no hair at all. Is it television child abuse to Nair a child's head? If Ben was telling me about the plant hiding the elevator I would have been Lost. Regarding Sun buying controlling interest in dad's company; if it is a publically held company she only needs to buy enough shares to hold 51 percent. The two wise men told dad, before Sun walked up, that five banks were used. That could imply five banks were used to buy shares from various shareholders so as to give no warning of an impending takeover. Now, if it were a privately held company, that makes it a bit more of a reach for Sun to take over hurley and the numbers? We still don't have a clue what in the heck the numbers mean, let alone why hugo is bedeviled by them. And if Hugo doesn't take the car, how does he wreck it in the police chase as shown in previous episodes? |
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PageCarl:
I am in fact, Undaunted so being forever dauntless makes perfect sense to me. Right you are, I got my Castros confused. Castroville...stinky stinky place to be stranded while hitch hiking. Artichokes! I could live on them. So delicious. I prefer to dip them in melted butter. I cook them with tons of garlic in the water so they get infused with the garlic flavor. There's a little restaurant called Duarte's near the coast on the San Francisco peninsula. It serves the most incredible cream of artichoke soup! And a killer cream of chili soup too. sigh. dammit pagecarl....Now I want an artichoke. |
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I wish I could buy you one, cooked to perfection with a cauldron of melted butter. Unfortunately, by the time artichokes get to our little town they have travelled a rough road. Still .... I have made myself hungry, too. I cannot imagine them being much better in your flatlands. And yes, I know the smell of Castroville. I hitched a fair amount in my youth and there were a few places NOT to be stuck in, for sure. This message has been edited. Last edited by: pagecarl, |
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Hate to prove you wrong about your own name, lovey...well, no, we all know I'm loving it... Click here for Undaunted's name change I knew I remembered it correctly. (Note my obnoxious flame a few posts down.) (Not denying pagecarl's affection, but he didn't think of it. BTW, my ladies tonight (whom I've known for 41 yrs) were complaining about my too-complete memory.) Artichokes, pagecarl? Are you aware that they are a VEGETABLE? Why, how healthy of you! Hope you use extra fat mayo, or you'll spoil my whole image of you. And speaking of images - I'm SURE the last time I saw that photo(shop) of you, there was someone else in it. A cute lil newlywed from Up North Country... Aside from Aaron's size, there's a pretty big difference in development between 5 wks & 12 wks. Claire delivered within a wk or 2 of landing, didn't she? I think Kate would've done better to make him at least 8 wks. Plenty of women barely show until the last 2 mos. We don't know how long she was out of sight of the marshall before he caught her in Australia, so it's possible if she really had been preggers & showing & he had just found out, he might not have gotten around to mentioning it to anyone. I'm sure when they were first found they were combed over by drs. And the problem of feeding Aaron wasn't answered. I'm pretty sure I remember Claire using a Dharma bottle in one scene, but I thought she'd filled it herself. Not easy, but possible. Once Claire disappeared, how did Sawyer/Kate/Sun feed him all day? And presumably for the next several days? How did Kate explaining nursing for 5 wks & then suddenly drying up & needing bottles? If they actually had been on a raft for 3 days, she could have gotten dehydrated & lost her milk supply, but then the baby would've died. Yes, there are large babies, and yes, there are babies who are fairly bald for 2 yrs. Not worried about that. But a 5 wks old who follows things with his eyes, plays with his hands, smiles frequently, holds his head up so steadily....nah. The actual baby actor is probably closer to 5 mos than 3, but the storyline isn't working for me. I did know that Kate was going to pass him off as her own. Only way to avoid custody battles. Did anyone else notice the scene where Sun was holding "Aaron" all wrapped up? Whatever was wrapped in that blanket was about half Aaron's size. Anthuriums are those red heart-shaped flowers with the large yellow thing sticking out. (My mom calls them penis flowers.) They're very popular on Valentine's Day. They grow in Hawaii. Very expensive on the East Coast. I'm also bored with watching Ben get hit. As well as watching the Losties point guns at people only to be outnumbered and forced to disarm. The thing about the freighter blowing up though - if everyone's dead, there's no reason for O6 to return to the island. So at least some of them must be alive. |
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Hurling:
Just like in the courtroom! Hurling: "Ms.Undaunted, that is what you are going by now isn't it? Look at this," thrusting the evidence towards the witness, "Does this refresh your memory?" Undaunted aka Grandjubjub,aka Oma,aka Gramma, aka that F**king bitch, aka Intrepid aka dauntless: "Oh! Well, I . . ." Hurling: "Well, dauntless, does this refresh your memory?" Undaunted: "Yes. Yes, I do recall now that I was dauntless, but I swear it was only for a nanosecond and I never inhaled!" So Hurling, I am compelled by the rules of my family to make this statement to you: You were right and I was wrong. |
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never let the facts get in the way of a good story ......
when approaching a challenge armed with facts and feelings, always trust your heart ..... |
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Back to LOST........
About Jin: I'm beginning to think that Jin is really dead. There has to be a reason for the contrived addition of two people who survived the crash just to have them die later of their injuries. Why would they invent those two people? To explain their bodies being transported back to the real world. Jin is one of those 2 bodies; I don't know who the other one is yet. That explains the cargo crew person we can barely see sitting away from the survivors. It also explains why the cargo door was used, rather than the passenger door, for the survivor's exit from the plane. The cargo door opened because there was cargo: Two coffins. I think Sun gained controlling interest in her father's company not to have the resources to find her husband, but because she is pissed off that her husband is DEAD, because she knows that makes her father happy, because it was her father's actions that put Sun & Jin on that plane. Sun's intent is to permanently wipe that smug look off her father's face. As a Sicilian American, I can deeply appreciate that. I once flashed a "V" to a friend who was in the middle of a losing battle. He said, "Yes! Victory!" I said, "No. Vendetta." Best served cold. I have since outgrown that. _______ Poor Claire's mom walks outside the funeral service where she will be promptly hit by a car. Your work is done Claire's mom. Thank you for serving. _____ I believe that Sawyer gets off the island. But I don't think he gets off with the survivors. He will arrive later. He has to because I think it is he and Kate who are supposed to be Aaron's guardians. LOST is about a war for control of that island. It's been going on for a very long time with periods here and there of peace. Our Lostees literally fell in, setting off an invasion and new battle. Now, whether they like it or not, they are drafted into the fight. It is all about securing that island so Aaron can be returned to it safely so he can act as Jacob's spokesman. There will be no peace for any of the survivors until they acquiesce to their new roles. That doesn't mean they have to return to the island right now. It means they have to make peace with the fact that they will be called back. They can't rush to go back; it won't work. They can't escape it, that won't work. They just have to live their lives and be prepared to go when they are called. And when they are called, the path back will be opened to them. Don't push the river, it flows by itself. __________ Or not. This message has been edited. Last edited by: undaunted, |
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Anyway, I forgot I awarded you an extra point for having several very cool & plausible theories recently, none of which involved a spinal implant. |
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Well now....This is interesting.
DarkUFO Screen cap A link to a screencap of LOST's opening scene of the series of Jack waking up in the jungle. And right there next to him on the ground, to our right is a small cylindrical black object that looks for all the world like Ben's whoop-ass baton. |
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Sun states in the press conference that Jin died in the crash. |
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