The giant foot statue has 4 toes. Why 4 toes? Because this whole thing might be set in the future or predicting the future of humanity.

Scientists have been saying for years that us as human species will evolve to only have 4 fingers and 4 toes....eventually loosing our pinky toes and finger. I remember reading about this in school.

Could this statue be predicting this or was this statue a part of modern day future?

Interesting idea. The evolution of man. I like that.

Does anyone know if the Foot has something to do with ancient greek mythology?? Achilles possibly?

Charlie's famous pilot ending line:

"Guys.... where are we?"

This holds true once again the end of this season. What the hell is this island?? There's no theory I can believe anymore.

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The giant foot statue has 4 toes. Why 4 toes?

Maybe this was the island that Odysseus visited during The Odyssey (the island witht he Cyclops).

By the way, Odysseus was married to Penelope, and The Odyssey chronicles his journey home to her. Is Desmond actually Odyssseus?

And some people think that the fabled city of Troy was actually located in modern day Britain (some of the landmarks are a better match). This would mean Odysseus' wanderings could have been in the Caribbean, or perhaps even the South Pacific.

I am going to go a different route. We know how LOST loves to play with Sci-Fi classics. One of the greatest ironic endings was the finding of the crown of the Statue of Liberty in Planet of the Apes. Perhaps this is merely a tribute.

However one thing is definitely understood the foot is not a natural occurence and may indicate that a previous civilization inhabitated that land.

The first thing I thought of was the Colossus of Rhodes. But where was the rest of the statue? Did it fall over backwards? Forwards into the water? Hmm....very suspicious.

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Originally posted by CaptNemo:

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The giant foot statue has 4 toes. Why 4 toes?

Maybe this was the island that Odysseus visited during The Odyssey (the island witht he Cyclops).

By the way, Odysseus was married to Penelope, and The Odyssey chronicles his journey home to her. Is Desmond actually Odyssseus?

And some people think that the fabled city of Troy was actually located in modern day Britain (some of the landmarks are a better match). This would mean Odysseus' wanderings could have been in the Caribbean, or perhaps even the South Pacific.

Troy was found and it wasn't in Britain

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Originally posted by Island's Biggest Mystery:
The giant foot statue has 4 toes. Why 4 toes? Because this whole thing might be set in the future or predicting the future of humanity.

Scientists have been saying for years that us as human species will evolve to only have 4 fingers and 4 toes....eventually loosing our pinky toes and finger. I remember reading about this in school.

Could this statue be predicting this or was this statue a part of modern day future?

Sorry dude, the plane crash date has already been called as being in 2004.

My girlfriend and I both agree the 'four toes' deal was pretty unnecessary. I guess the producers decided to do it just to 'keep us on our toes.'

Sorry. I'll stop with the bad puns.

If Zeke's beard was fake then why couldn't the foot be fake as well. Most people know that cartoonist usually draw their characters with only four digits, so maybe someone decided to do the same here thinking that no one would take the time to count the toes. Think about it... if Sayid hadn't pointed it out, would you have noticed? I probably wouldn't have (and Jin & Sun didn't).

I tend to agree with the Odyssius theory, though, even if it's just homage. However, my first thought on seeing the statue leg was "Lord of the Rings."

I think people would notice four toes, and more importantly--if you're going to go to the effort of making something that big, partial or not, everything about it should be deliberate.

it's so obvious...the Planet of the Apes reference was right on......one word



Joop

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Troy was found and it wasn't in Britain

But as with most things, someone disputes the find. They say the location in Turkey does not fit the landmarks, the Mediterranean sea is too small for such a long journey home, and the area surrounding the city was too small for an invading army of 100,000.

I'm not saying I agree, I'm just mentioning a theory in passing.

More here: http://www.where-troy-once-stood.co.uk/index.htm

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Originally posted by CaptNemo:

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Troy was found and it wasn't in Britain

But as with most things, someone disputes the find. They say the location in Turkey does not fit the landmarks, the Mediterranean see is too small for such a long journey home, the area surrounding the city was too small for an invading army of 100,000.

I'm not saying I agree, I'm just mentioning a theory in passing.

More here: http://www.where-troy-once-stood.co.uk/index.htm

Interesting, but people will dispute anything. People still debate over whether the Earth is round, for goodness sake. I don't claim to be an expert in Ancient Greek Geography but this sounds like one of those kind of people.

I do like the Odyssey reference though. Good call

Either 'Human evolution' or 'ancient mythology' can't explain where the hell the rest of the statue is. Did this piece get dropped somehow... there is no way the rest of the statue that big wouldn't of been visible...or at least see some crumbling remains.

The only "beings" that I know of that usually have 4 toes, 4 fingers are cartoon characters. Is this the foot of Homer Simpson? D'oh!

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Originally posted by Magairli:
The only "beings" that I know of that usually have 4 toes, 4 fingers are cartoon characters. Is this the foot of Homer Simpson? D'oh!

That was my EXACT thought last night when I saw it! Double D'oh!

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Originally posted by Island's Biggest Mystery:
Could this statue be predicting this or was this statue a part of modern day future?

Or, maybe the statue is a remnant of a past civilzation that was more advanced in the evolutionary chain than humans in present day civilization. Maybe something happened that set back human evolution hundreds of thousands of years.

My first thought was Lord of the Rings too.. maybe a tribute to Charlie's days as a hobbit.

Another possible literary reference.

From: Headlong Hall by Thomas Love Peacock:

"for, during the latter part of my father's life, while I was finishing my education, he troubled himself about nothing but the cellar, and suffered everything else to go to rack and ruin. A mere wilderness, as you see, even now in December; but in summer a complete nursery of briers, a forest of thistles, a plantation of nettles, without any livestock but goats, that have eaten up all the bark of the trees. Here you see is the pedestal of a statue, with only half a leg and four toes remaining: there were many here once. ..."

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Originally posted by Dharma&Greg:
Another possible literary reference.

From: Headlong Hall by Thomas Love Peacock:

"for, during the latter part of my father's life, while I was finishing my education, he troubled himself about nothing but the cellar, and suffered everything else to go to rack and ruin. A mere wilderness, as you see, even now in December; but in summer a complete nursery of briers, a forest of thistles, a plantation of nettles, without any livestock but goats, that have eaten up all the bark of the trees. Here you see is the pedestal of a statue, with only half a leg and four toes remaining: there were many here once. ..."

That's amazing, how did you know this? Are you currently reading it, or do you have an extremely good memory?

I just re-watched the finale and all of The Others have 5 toes on their feet........

It's actually on the Amazon book description on the page linked to in that post.

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Originally posted by CaptNemo:
[QUOTE]Troy was found and it wasn't in Britain

But as with most things, someone disputes the find. They say the location in Turkey does not fit the landmarks, the Mediterranean sea is too small for such a long journey home, and the area surrounding the city was too small for an invading army of 100,000.

I'm not saying I agree, I'm just mentioning a theory in passing.

But, you're assuming that the Iliad and Odyssey are nonfiction literal accounts if you accept the length of journey and size of army you state in your post.

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But, you're assuming that the Iliad and Odyssey are nonfiction literal accounts if you accept the length of journey and size of army you state in your post.

I am assuming there was some basis behind the legend. It is true that numbers usually become more inflated as time passes, and of course there were no Cyclops. I was really making a joke regarding the location in Britain.

The only serious thing in my original post was that Penelope was the wife of Odysseus, and perhaps that was a refernce to Desmond.

first thing i thought of when i saw it was the shelley poem:

OZYMANDIAS of EGYPT


I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said:—Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away

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Originally posted by Dharma&Greg:
Another possible literary reference.

From: Headlong Hall by Thomas Love Peacock:

"for, during the latter part of my father's life, while I was finishing my education, he troubled himself about nothing but the cellar, and suffered everything else to go to rack and ruin. A mere wilderness, as you see, even now in December; but in summer a complete nursery of briers, a forest of thistles, a plantation of nettles, without any livestock but goats, that have eaten up all the bark of the trees. Here you see is the pedestal of a statue, with only half a leg and four toes remaining: there were many here once. ..."

Wow. I think that's just too coincidental to be just a coincidence, if you know what I mean. There's a fairly long review of the book in Amazon as well, describing it as sort of an intellectual debate between characters espousing different viewpoints, which sounds rather like some of David Hume's writings (you can read about Hume & his writings in Wikipedia). Not sure if this is a coincidence also.

Just as a side note, it's interesting to see what LOST does to book sales on Amazon--Headlong Hall wasn't even on Amazon's charts on the 24th, but had jumped on by yesterday. Dickens' Our Mutual Friend had gone zooming up the sales charts between the 24th & 25th as well.

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Colossus of Rhodes

While I personally see the closest comparison being to the Colossus of Rhodes, the next question that seems to be "Lost" is, for what?

It might appear that the statue, were it complete, stood guard over a harbor just like the Colossus of Rhodes. What is in that harbor on the Lost island? Sayid and Sun and Jin sail right past it on their way to the now abandoned camp.

I think it's just Rubble from the stone age.

Yes...Barney Rubble also had 4 toes on each foot.

Oops...also forgot to mention...Sun and Jin are Korean, and unlike Chinese and Japanese dragons, Korean dragons were believed to have FOUR TOES...coincidence or clue? Hmmmm?

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Scientists have been saying for years that us as human species will evolve to only have 4 fingers and 4 toes....eventually loosing our pinky toes and finger. I remember reading about this in school.

I would just like to say that this theory is whack. There's no way our pinkys are going to disappear. We have highly evolved brains that put survival of the best fit to rest. Just because we don't use our pinkys ----- Whoa ok now this theory is DEFINTELY busted. With the increAsing PoPulArity of comPuters, how are we to tyPe without Any Pinkies? Anyway, the limited use of our pinkies will not cause them to go away. A genetic mutation leaving out the pinky will not cause a person to be anymore successful in living than someone with a pinky.

lol Joshanda. Now that is funny.

LMAO

Ok, so this doesn't have to do with the toes, but it does have to do with the statue.

DISCLAIMER: I do NOT believe the island is purgatory. Period. Please don't misconstrue any of this to mean that.

So, I was looking at a pic of the foot, especially after reading some of the very interesting comments on this thread regarding evolution and the fact that THIS (what we see) may not be a part of a larger statue, but in fact may be ALL of the statue. I'm attaching LINK a to the pic I see.

My Thoughts:

It looks to be a part of a larger statue. The platform on which the foot rests extends 20 or so feet from the inner wall of the foot, where the platform ends pretty abruptly after the outer wall of the foot. Also, the stones under the jutting platform appear to be carved, especially when compared to the other rocks at the other end. This reminded me RIGHT AWAY of Dante's Inferno, where the souls trapped in Hell are reaching up to heaven. In trying to find the image (unsuccessfully, - it may not be by Blake) I found THIS one by Blake, which is similar.

This painting, as it may relate to Lost, speaks of the despair of the inferior. If the project is truly about genetic mutation towards some "higher" end - creating a super race of animals AND/OR humans, enhancing "gifts" - then I guess the rest of us represents what's under the shoe.

Not that this is a huge point or anything -- just an observance. Maybe the rocks aren't carved at all. The statue could mean exactly what my friend's doormat says: "Some days you step in it... Some days you don't."

All over the world civilizations have carved all sorts of statues representing gods and such.

They often have strange charactersitics such as animal bodies, two-faced heads, extra limbs, wings, one-eye, fish tales, etc... Egyptians, Assyrians, Phoenecians, Celts, Mongols, etc... all had fantastic imagery. The Greeks and Romans had whole pantheons of gods and monsters like this - these are probably most common to us.

So perhaps it is just a remnant of a statue of some previous island culture that dissapeared. Perhaps their god had 4 toes - who knows why? Think of how odd the Maoi of Easter Island are at first look.

Maybe they should go back and count the toes (or what's left of them) on Adam & Eve. Surely we're going to hear about the cave dwellers again before the series is complete!

Very old but interesting Article Article about the loss of the fifth toe from an evolutionary point of view. Scroll down to the section "The Loss of the Fifth Toe"

Here's an excerpt:

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In the course of primate evolution the line of leverage shifted to a position midway between the big and the second toes as a result of adaptation. In man we find that the line of leverage has remained in this position or even moved over entirely to the big toe. As a result , the big toe has grown to the largest of all the toes with a progressive decrease in size and function as one moves to the little toe...This suggests the probability of its (little toe) future disappearance.

I don't know if the statue is a relic of a past civilization far more advanced than our own - but I think the statue is an important clue. We would have noticed the four toes without Sayid pointing it out. The fact that it was actually pointed out puts emphasis on its importance (IMHO). Or.... maybe the writers wanted to see if we would obsess over a four-toed statue.

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Scientists have been saying for years that us as human species will evolve to only have 4 fingers and 4 toes....eventually loosing our pinky toes and finger. I remember reading about this in school.

I would just like to say that this theory is whack. There's no way our pinkys are going to disappear.

Why? Our tails have for the most part (you do know humans have the remnant of a tail right?). Our little toe is quickly becoming history as well.

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Or.... maybe the writers wanted to see if we would obsess over a four-toed statue.

Heh.

I'll bet we find out the island was once a playland of some sort, and the statue was nothing more than a cartoonish amusement park adornment.

Do I see writing on the base of the statue? Anyone got a close-up vidcap?

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Do I see writing on the base of the statue? Anyone got a close-up vidcap?

It appears to be "drscho" followed by what might be the roman numeral for 2 and ended with an "s". Something like that.

I guess the corn removal procedure left it with only 4 toes?

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Originally posted by ianulimac:
I guess the corn removal procedure left it with only 4 toes?

I know this was originally a good question. I hope somebody can come up with a screen cap.

I think this is the best shot of it...

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&f...e&album=1085&pos=456

I don't see anything.

I'm surprised noone has matched up the sandal style to some roman era or something... I expect better of you guys!

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Originally posted by sdrawkcabton88:
I think this is the best shot of it...

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&f...e&album=1085&pos=456

I don't see anything.

I'm surprised noone has matched up the sandal style to some roman era or something... I expect better of you guys!

Sdraw, one of the problems to me is that no picture of the foot comes out completely clear. Most are washed out with the excessive white. I can't even see a sandal.

Did anyone ever see the Simpsons episode where Homer decided not to go to church anymore? He's visited by God in a dream a couple times. They only show God from the thigh down and he's wearing sandals just like the statue.

At first I was like, "Oh my God, they had Walt watching TV shows and trying to see if he could physically manifest what he saw as part of some experiment." That would explain the 4 toes and just the foot and shin.

However, I then realized that the animators for the Simpsons gave God 5 toes and 5 fingers. So my idea was shot. Oh well.

More seriously - from those screen caps the foot does not appear to have writing on it. The "symbols" seem to be water stains and cracks.

Also I can't see a heel in these pictures so I wonder if it might more properly be called a paw? Does anyone know of an animal with paws that are more assymetric that say a dog's foot?

This is pure speculation but I think it could be a statue of deity or mythical monster (maye a ceberus). I like this more than the idea that it is a representation of evolved or devolved humans because it is simple.

One thing to note is that it is huge. The trees in the background are very tiny. Unless it is very far out, but it appears to be on the beach, It must be 100 + feet tall to the shin.

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More seriously - from those screen caps the foot does not appear to have writing on it. The "symbols" seem to be water stains and cracks.

Also I can't see a heel in these pictures so I wonder if it might more properly be called a paw? Does anyone know of an animal with paws that are more assymetric that say a dog's foot?

This is pure speculation but I think it could be a statue of deity or mythical monster (maye a ceberus). I like this more than the idea that it is a representation of evolved or devolved humans because it is simple.

One thing to note is that it is huge. The trees in the background are very tiny. Unless it is very far out, but it appears to be on the beach, It must be 100 + feet tall to the shin.

I know animal prints fairly well and cannot think of any that might match the foot. The leg above the foot also limits the options. More, above the ankle, it seems to me to be the start of a robe, much like the ancient Greeks might have worn.

There are several other questions about the foot.

The base was apparently built of rubble, possibly from the "carving" of the statue itself. It is very difficult to place a stable base on top of shifting beach sand as this one is on.

As big as it is, there is no apparent place the right foot might have stood. A one-legged thing?

The white material appears different than anything we have seen on the island. How did this white ?rock? ?concrete? get to the island? Or is there some quarry site we have not yet seen?

There does appear to be a sandal.

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For some reason, I'm more interested in where the rest of the statue is (If there IS a rest of the statue) than what the statue represents.

The foot/shin is weathered and tarnished but shows no appreciable erosion. All the carved features remain crisp and easily identifiable. IF there was a complete statue (presumably made of granite) then it would have been about 150 feet tall. (I'm being conservative and guessing the portion I see is 25 feet tall). A 15-story structure made of granite doesn't just float off or dissolve. If someone built a big stone statue and it fell over then we should be seeing his ass poking up from the surf. lol

And where's the rock cropping for the other foot pad? There's nothing but beach where the other foot would be expected to be. It would take a few thousand years for erosion to wash away the rocks and replace them with a beach.

Someone needs to check out that foot statue and make sure it's not made of styrafoam or resin.

The writers like to give us mysteries to chew on. So far we've had the monster/black smoke thingee, the Blackrock and now the big stone foot statue.

There does seem to be sandal straps showing up on the foot (between the two biggest toes is where I see it most) as well as what could possibly be Roman-sandal-type straps up the leg. Or the leg things might be part of a garment design.

Of course, the explanation for why the statue is there could be that Alvar Hanso or one of the de Groots had a foot fetish.