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Danny said that as he headed to kill Sawyer.

hmmm, Jacob?
 
Posts: 228 | Registered: 05 April 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Yeah that quote had me scratching my head as well.

It's 2:44 am right now, so pardon me if what I'm about to type sounds slightly cooky. What if "Jacob" is Smokey, or whoever controls/corresponds with Smokey? We know that the lists supposedly consist of "the good ones" and Smokey certainly seems to be doing alot of judging when it comes to our Lostie friends. We haven't ever seen a character named Jacob either on or off the island, so one could say that Smokey is a possible suspect.

The name choice of Jacob seems significant. Jacob has biblical roots as the father of Israel (I think that was him even though my Sunday school facts from 15 years ago are a little foggy). A biblical name for Smokey would seem appropriate after he used Catholic-like criteria to judge Mr Eko. I do know, though, that Jacob is an Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) name, so it wouldn't have as strong of a tie to Catholocism as say "Peter," "Paul," or even "Mary."
 
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My husband picked up on that right away as well. So here's some theorizing: Suppose "Jacob" is Radzinsky's first name? And that Radzinsky is Eye-Patch Man, & HIM? (This supposes that for reasons as yet unknown, Radzinsky abandoned the Swan hatch for another hatch & went over to the side of Benry's Others.) We only have Kelvin's word that Radzinsky is dead, & Kelvin didn't exactly prove himself to be the most trustworthy individual.
 
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Were about to be deluged with irate Posters as another Mystery is presented. Since Joshua’s the real ruler of the Others. Does that make Ben more like a Baron?

So, if I get this right, Ben is caught by Danielle. So he can go to the Lost camp, and get a better feel for the place. May be get the low down for what makes Jack tick. Decides it’s his affection for Kate. Which is a good thing since word from Joshua is he has a list and he wants Kate and Jack. So somehow he gets word back to the Ms. Klugh, he also wants Sawyer and Hurley added to the list.

He manages to manipulate Mike to do his bidding.

He uses the teddy bear Hurley as his warning shot, for the rest of the Lost group not to mess with us. Yet takes Sawyer back to the camp as a backup plan? Hoping he will get the opportunity to use the love triangle against Jack to manipulate him into performing the surgery?

Just wondering.
 
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My husband picked up on that right away as well. So here's some theorizing: Suppose "Jacob" is Radzinsky's first name? And that Radzinsky is Eye-Patch Man, & HIM? (This supposes that for reasons as yet unknown, Radzinsky abandoned the Swan hatch for another hatch & went over to the side of Benry's Others.) We only have Kelvin's word that Radzinsky is dead, & Kelvin didn't exactly prove himself to be the most trustworthy individual.



Interesting, but I think it was acknowledged that Radzinsky is dead in an ABC podcast. We do know that the Others really love to make lists. Ethan and Goodwyn made lists for Ben. Ms. Klugh made a list to get Ben free. So I am not sure if Jacob may not be lower on the totem poll than Ben.
 
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My husband picked up on that right away as well. So here's some theorizing: Suppose "Jacob" is Radzinsky's first name? And that Radzinsky is Eye-Patch Man, & HIM? (This supposes that for reasons as yet unknown, Radzinsky abandoned the Swan hatch for another hatch & went over to the side of Benry's Others.) We only have Kelvin's word that Radzinsky is dead, & Kelvin didn't exactly prove himself to be the most trustworthy individual.


In "live together, die alone", Kate read a portion of one of those journals from the Pearl and it read something like "S.R. moves pool table." After that, most of us have assumed that S.R. is S. Radzinsky. This isn't necessarily true, but seems like a safe assumption, especially since all indications point to Radzinsky actually being dead.
 
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Interesting, but I think it was acknowledged that Radzinsky is dead in an ABC podcast. We do know that the Others really love to make lists. Ethan and Goodwyn made lists for Ben. Ms. Klugh made a list to get Ben free. So I am not sure if Jacob may not be lower on the totem poll than Ben.


Don't believe Jacob is lower than Ben.

Have to give mad props. to YinYang. She has a thread topic dated Oct. 17, 2006, titled More Literary Tie-in Thoughts.

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I’m still thinking about the Adoption connection, maybe some kind of experimentation by which Hanso organises “adoptions” but actually then places the children in this Utopian society?
This kind of links up with a literary reference in the show.

I know a number of people have already mentioned Aldous Huxley’s “Island”, mainly because it is set on an island called Pala. Will Farnaby arrives there by chance or by destiny, much as the Losties have, and stumbles on a Utopian society.

Some of the principle practices of this society are:
- Drug use for enlightenment, and self-knowledge
- Group living for children (Mutual Adoption Clubs) so that children would not have exposure to their parents' neuroses
- Trance states for super-learning
- Assisted reproduction (low-tech donor insemination)

The Palanese identified two different types of children who would become dominant adults: drugs were used to control the personality of one type and the other was taught to engage in tasks that helped him work off his aggressions.

Does that ring any bells about Jack’s and Sawyer’s captivity?

BTW it also led me to interesting reflections on the names of the leading Others:
Benjamin – (Biblical) Jacob’s youngest son, name means "son of sorrow." Forced to be a slave in a foreign country.
Linus - (Greek Mythology) one of the bastard sons of Apollo, abandoned by his mother on a hillside.
Juliet – in Shakespeare’s play Juliet is the only surviving child of her parents and she rebels against their wishes.
Adam – rebelled against his (heavenly) father and also was pretty isolated there in the Garden of Eden, even with Eve around.

(Colleen, on the other hand just means “girl”.)


Later Hurling corrected some of YinYang's details with

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Benjamin is "son of my right hand." ben = son, yamin = right
He was the son of Rachel, Jacob's favored wife, and therefore a more highly honored child. Joseph was the one who was enslaved, and later threatened to imprison Ben after framing him for a theft. The Hebrews were not enslaved as a group until later when the Pharoah died and his successor feared their power.


Honestly, I'm Completely unaware of proper board educate. Confused So, I have probably broken some major posting regulation with this one. But since the board is becoming very arduous (54 pg) to date, it’s a real beat down trying to keep prior threads straight with new threads.

Just thought YinYang and Hurling should get credit and take a bow for the addressing the Biblical reference to Ben being Jacob’s favorite son. And now later Jacob is referenced.




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No rules broken there in my book. Thanks for pointing that out and also to Yin Yang and Hurling for sparking that debate.

The writers have always said they choose their characters' names very carefully and purposely.

I think I heard that Juliet's backstory is one of the new episodes in February. It will be interesting to see whether she was rebellious against her parents and especially whether they live on the island with her or she came there later in her life.
 
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I think Jacob is Him.

Jacob made the list. People on the list are to be trusted by the others.

This is why Pickett was upset with Jack operating on Ben, because he can't be trusted.

I don't think Jacob is Smokey or the guy with the eye-patch, but an elusive man we have yet to encounter.
 
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I think Jacob has four toes and is confined to a wheel chair and all he can do now is make lists. The island is a big game to him and he likes to hunt boar and push buttons.
 
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I suspect Jacob is John Locke's 'twin' brother. Yes, this is a complete wild-ass guess, but from many of the clues we've been given, I think it could eventually fit.

What of the Jack we see in the preview? Is that really brainwashed Jack or is that Jack's twin? Who knows?
 
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I just realized, that Shepard may have not been on Jacob's list originally, because he did not touch him until "after" he was off the island. Perhaps it was this touching combined with Locke's visit that made him want to go back to the island.

Wait, that's not true, because the surgery was pre-island, thus the story he first told Kate.
--Duh
 
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