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Key Points from "LaFleur"

Who knew the '70s would treat Sawyer so well?

I Know! If this show is about redemption, Sawyer was redeemed...for now; we'll see what we we'll see.

Great episode! So if we are in the mid-Seventies now, Ben should be there somewhere, right? I was expecting that to come up...

current date = 1977
the date of the purge is 1992 so it's safe to say Ben is definatly around somewhere as a teen.

they've got a good 15years to prepare for this event and I have a feeling they're seriously not going to stick with the 70's being the permanent home for long.

A point I'd like to ask though, is it likely that Locke and the other 316er's are in the 70's as well? and if so wouldn't the other or the Dharmanites know about it? it's not often a futuristic plane crashes down in the neighbourhood

More things that spring to mind:

- In the episode where Ben is born and Horace immediately shows up, wasn't that his wife with him? Does anyone remember? I can't remember if she was shown on the island later on.

- When Harper tells Juliet "You look just like her" - perhaps she was actually talking about...1970s Juliet! Perhaps she has already got to know teenage Ben. (well, it would be hard for them to miss him).

- We didn't hear the name of Horace's baby. I wonder if it will turn out to be anyone we know...

- I would guess that Sun and Sayid are in the Seventies too, since the O6 all apparently disappeared in a flash before the plane went down. Locke on the other hand remained with the plane and Ben and other survivors. They could be somewhere/time else...

Yes, it's going to be interesting to see how they will gather Ben and John back up with the rest of the crew.

Just as interesting is how the writers just ignored the "when" component of the rescued Losties returning to the island at the same time as the island bunch was years behind. We know there is at least a 20-year difference between the island Losties and the saved Losties. Are we to assume the flash disappearance on the plane also slipped the saved Losties back to the island time? I guess so.

Again, in that case, Ben and John are not in the past.

One thing to note. There has not been one instance of a character seeing themselves in the past or future. We knew Faraday would see Charlotte. Now, can he keep from talking to her? I think not! So, if the characters are not to cross themselves in time, they really need to move back to the time of the original crash. Otherwise, if Ben and John went back, Ben would certainly run into his teenage self, which is not allowed.

My prediction is that we will move ahead to the time of the massacre and something will happen to shift the Losties forward. We know that, since none of Ben's accounts have a memory of the Losties being killed. Yet why din't Ben remember the Losties entering the camp? The arrival of a bunch of strangers would certainly be noticed. Has Ben already joined the Others?

And if time flows normally forward, the Losties will age just as Walt has. They couldn't remain their buff sex symbol selves.

Ah, I love speculation!

PC: With regard to the writers ignoring the "when" component: Maybe that was what Hawking was calculating...how to get the returning Lostees on the Ajira flight to the specific time.

You're right, Ben will not be going back to 197whatever. And if Ben isn't going, then I'm figuring John won't be going either but I base that on absolutely nothing.

It seems that currently Sawyer & crew are at the same time as little Ben. It seems unlikely they could be in Dharmaville for 3 years and not run into Benji Linus. Are they there pre-Benji? Will Roger Workman and his son arrive next week?

No doubt the Lostees minus John (L-J) will time leap prior to the Purge, otherwise they'd be dead and we would be watching some other show on Wednesday nights.

Over next door ealgumby suggests that Horace & Amy's baby might be Desmond. Right age. We know nothing about Desmond's childhood or his parents.

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Originally posted by undaunted:
We know nothing about Desmond's childhood or his parents.

Although by chance I saw "Flashes Before Your Eyes" the other night and he mentions to Daddy Widmore that he left university because he had to care for his brothers.

But it could be him, why not? Certainly it must be someone we know.

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Originally posted by YinYang:

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Originally posted by undaunted:
We know nothing about Desmond's childhood or his parents.

Although by chance I saw "Flashes Before Your Eyes" the other night and he mentions to Daddy Widmore that he left university because he had to care for his brothers.

But it could be him, why not? Certainly it must be someone we know.

I didn't remember that, thanks YinYang! He might have been adopted.

If it isn't someone we know then I will be very surprised.

Edit: Again over next door mizzed points out that it can't be Desmond because the timing is off. Des entered the monastery after 6 years of dating someone. Penny met Desmond at the monastery in 1994. Had he been born in 1977, Des would have been 17 when he was at the monastery. So...not Desmond.

Mizzed also points out that the only person we know who is the correct age is Hugo Reyes. I don't know if the year has been confirmed on the show, but mizzed says Hugo was born in 1977.

So,I dunno....but it would make me happy if Hugo is Amy's child. And up until I read mizzed's post, I would have been flabbergasted if it was revealed that Amy's baby is Hugo.

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except isn't Hugo hispanic? Amy and her hubby don't fit the profile?

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except isn't Hugo hispanic? Amy and her hubby don't fit the profile?

Well, his surname is Hispanic.

i have a feeling that it might be miles, he seems to be the right age. and i believe in an earlier episode one of the losties questioned him if he has ever been on the island before.

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Originally posted by oilida:
i have a feeling that it might be miles, he seems to be the right age. and i believe in an earlier episode one of the losties questioned him if he has ever been on the island before.

However Miles is clearly Chinese American. I had him as #1 candidate for Dr Chang's son.

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Originally posted by islander:
except isn't Hugo hispanic? Amy and her hubby don't fit the profile?

Well, his surname is Hispanic.

we;ve seen him in a flashback as a kid with his dad, and he's clearly hispanic, just being older and fatter hides it well *thumbs up*

Although Daniel said 'what ever happened, happened', it was made pretty clear that Amy was in dire straits. If Juliet had not been there to handle the difficult birth, who would have delivered? Would the baby have lived? Are we sure that she didn't change the events of history by delivering the baby? And he might turn out to be 'none of the above'.
And to that end, how would Amy have survived certain death at the hands of the 'Hostiles' had Sawyer and Juliet not intervened? And going further out on a limb here, could Jacob somehow be reincarnated as the baby that would never have been born?
Best Season so far for the puzzle effect.

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I'm going to shift off the baby theme for a bit, mainly since I can't figure for the life of me who the baby might be. We certainly know who it isn't, given who the likely parents are. Still, we have seen some of the early Dharma camp and there is no clear candidate. The only possible exception might be if the Dharma Losties take the baby with them when they find a way back to the correct time;

which brings me to;

Realistically, for the Dharma Losties to get back to their real time, wouldn't the logical method be for them to either find the donkey wheel OR experiment with the Dharma time machine? What other methods have we seen throughout the show to take them back? My money is on finding the donkey wheel, since Sawyer knows about John entering the cave and would eventually look for it, especially now that he has a menage a drei with Juliet and Kate.

Something about Paul's death doesn't set well with me.

Why picnic in forbidden terriory? To avoid the wrath of Smokey?

Did Amy kill Paul? Did she go outside the fence perimeter for their "picnic" with the specific intent of killing Paul and blaming it on an ambush by The Others? Then the Others actually showed up and threw a monkey wrench in her plan?

I dunno....something isn't right about it.

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Something about Paul's death doesn't set well with me.

Why picnic in forbidden terriory? To avoid the wrath of Smokey?

Did Amy kill Paul? Did she go outside the fence perimeter for their "picnic" with the specific intent of killing Paul and blaming it on an ambush by The Others? Then the Others actually showed up and threw a monkey wrench in her plan?

I dunno....something isn't right about it.

Funny, Dauntless, I had been thinking the same thing. The only thing I could think of was that there was apparently a truce between Dharma and the Others. That might have given the Dharmites a feeling that it was safe to roam outside their perimeter.

I also wonder if Amy turned on the fence when the Losties approached it? In other words, was the fence turned off as they approached?

Another point that made me wonder - If the Others were absolutely determined to kill the Dharmites, how did the Dharmites move between the various hatches? We know they had to have some movement between hatches.

Undaunted,
Try this one, Paul is an other who has fallen in love with Amy. Truce is with Dharma, so killing him is not against the truce. We were not 100% that they would have killed Amy. So Paul is being punished for turning his back on the others. Like you said, something isn't right. And the body of Paul sets things straight??

As for the baby, let's try Goodwin (ooh, Juliet, you delivered your future lover,) or Ethan, would that send Jack for a loop!

Pagecarl, we have seen the future others move through tunnels to the stations. Remember that Ben and Juliet go to the beechcraft one (I can't keep them straight at the moment) in the episode that doesn't matter with the people who die/don't die of a spider bite. I suspect that is how Dharma did it when the truce was off.

One last thing, the statue.

Anyone notice that it is on the ocean and it can be seen from the Orchid? This shocked me cause I thought the Orchid is inland, behind one of those mountain ridges. But we see the whole upper body (back). This means that the Orchid must be close to the sea. Think about it, even if it is bigger than I think, they would have to be pretty close to have that view from the past.

I think it is time that the producers give us something, like a real map. One season left, it would be nice.

just on general principles I felt I had to write something.

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One last thing, the statue.

I was wondering if anyone would bring this up. I've got my money on the face of it being revealed in the final episode ... and it's Alpert. Anyone counted his toes yet?

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I was wondering if anyone would bring this up. I've got my money on the face of it being revealed in the final episode ... and it's Alpert. Anyone counted his toes yet?

As of right now, my money would be on Locke's face on the statue. Maybe he lost a toe in one of his many accidents.

I think its a representation of the Egyptian God of Death Anubis.

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I think its a representation of the Egyptian God of Death Anubis.

The ears are too short to be Anubis - or at least a traditional Egyptian depiction of Anubis. And something about it strikes me as un-Egyptian, but I can't put my finger on exactly why.

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I think its a representation of the Egyptian God of Death Anubis.

The ears are too short to be Anubis - or at least a traditional Egyptian depiction of Anubis. And something about it strikes me as un-Egyptian, but I can't put my finger on exactly why.

I can't decide if it's vaguely unegyptian because it's vaguely cartoon-y ___ OR ___ if it's vaguely unegyptian because the foot we saw was wearing sandals and most ancient egyptian gods/people were depicted barefoot.

Of course, that island is not Egypt, so I suppose it is reasonable that, even if it's art form is based on classic egyptian sculpture, we would see a variance from the original form.

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Of course, that island is not Egypt, so I suppose it is reasonable that, even if it's art form is based on classic egyptian sculpture, we would see a variance from the original form.

For a long time, little was known of early Egyptian history. It seemed like Egyptian culture had suddenly appeared, almost fully formed. So naturally there was a theory that Egypt was a colony of some other civilization, and one of the far out theories suggested Atlantis as the mother country.

If we assume this premise, then a colony could easily adapt its beliefs, art, etc. so it would produce similar, but not exact, copies of the original.

Check THIS one out. I think this has some merit, especially since the picture is an official promo.

Sorry, here's the URL

lol.....one more time!

No, its there, click on where it says URL, I tested it out after I posted.

got it, thank you. It is interesting but that is all I am willing to commit to at this time!

I just want to know how the hell Jack, Kate, and Hurley end up in Dharma jumpsuits when Horace was so suspicious of Sawyer at first. What changed?

So, how many weeks before the survivors get to enter the Stargate?

Right after they get touched by an angel. Anyway